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Will we have a brexit?


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This isn't a special status for NI, its an acceptance that the UK as a whole will be in regulatory alignment with the EU. It can work no other way.

May - back in the dim & distant past pre-election had all sorts of Heath Robinson suggestions for slicing & dicing the customs union in terms of sector deals etc so she clearly thinks they are going to somehow hive off NI
 
Is there not an official logo for Brexit yet?

Yep, there's a whole new name and graphic identity for the rUK following Scottish and NI seccession. The starting point was our gloriously independent currency.

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But there's no agreement. So there's no text.

Not yet, no.

May - back in the dim & distant past pre-election had all sorts of Heath Robinson suggestions for slicing & dicing the customs union in terms of sector deals etc so she clearly thinks they are going to somehow hive off NI

Perhaps, but to do that would destroy her majority (and probably her government) and it is almost impossible to imagine how it would ever work - it would mean internal passport controls in the UK, internal customs and the rest.

Accepting regulatory alignment for the whole of the UK - if that is what she is proposing - would be a much better idea, especially if the whole issue is based on how the changes affect Good Friday Agreement because it would mean any change from the EU side would have to be negotiated over as well, which could actually result in the UK having more of a say rather than less. The Brexiteers will still look to defenestrate her of course.
 
Interesting Facebook post from Robert Peston suggesting may is fucked

When Jeremy Hunt said on Peston On Sunday that his party faced a choice of backing Theresa May or risking seeing the UK stay in the EU, he was addressing his cabinet colleagues Boris Johnson and Michael Gove, as much as estranged Brexiteering ultras on his backbenches.

Here is why (this is a dense and nuanced argument - but please bear with me).

The prime minister has clearly (and probably rightly) made the judgement that Parliament would not vote for a no-trade-deal or hard Brexit. So she has decided to concede to almost every demand made by the EU’s negotiators, so that talks on a transition agreement and trade deal can start before Christmas.

But - and this matters - the concessions she is making are anathema to Johnson and Gove, and a powerful constituency within her party.

As I have been saying for a fortnight, they include a Brexit divorce payment of up to £50bn.

They include a role for the European Court of Justice to adjudicate on the rights of EU migrants living here, on the occasions when the Supreme Court decides UK law is not decisive (these are likely to be rare - though for the Brexiteers it is the principle not the frequency that is hateful).

And they include a promise that there will be close regulatory alignment between Northern Ireland and the Republic so that a hard border between the two need never be re-introduced (customs checks on goods would not be needed if product standards north and south of the border continue to be the same).

Now it is with that very last concession that the PM is taking the political risk of her life, because in that concession she is in effect saying that a trade deal for the whole UK will also be based on a promise of close regulatory alignment between our country and the EU, in perpetuity.

That permanent regulatory convergence between the UK and EU is her preferred route, because without it her government would collapse: Northern Ireland’s DUP MPs, which are sustaining the Tories in office, have made it crystal clear that they will not accept a separate regulatory set-up for Northern Ireland from that prevailing in the UK as a whole.

But here is what I assume will be scaring the PM witless (it scares me, just as a bystander). She is signing up for close regulatory alignment between the UK and EU without ever having secured agreement for that from the Cabinet.

And for Johnson, Gove and most of the other more ardent Brexiteers, in and out of the Cabinet, almost the whole point of leaving the EU was for the UK to “take back control” of setting rules and regulations for British businesses.

To repeat, the PM will today move very close to making a promise that would mean the UK failing to reclaim rule-making sovereignty outside the UK.

And if her own Cabinet and backbench colleagues end up vetoing that offer, even if it is accepted by Juncker at today’s lunch, that would see the UK having no trade deal with the EU and being forced to reintroduce a peace-disrupting hard border with the Republic.

As I said earlier, May thinks MPs and Lords would reject such a no-trade-deal Brexit as too damaging both to the UK’s prosperity and too undermining of the fragile peace in Northern Ireland.

So she is in effect playing the highest stakes game of chicken with Johnson and Gove - and if she loses, her government could fall.

Or to put it another way, Jeremy Hunt might have gone further and warned his colleagues that failure to back May would see no Brexit and the probable advent of a Corbyn administration.
 
Sadly there is no Love It! button just a Like, the man's got a point though, Mayhem is in shit so deep she needs a snorkel, Her only hope is to call an election and hope that she gets a big enough majority to ride roughshod over the DUP, I bet she must fucking hate David Cameron at this point.

it is all rather hilarious to see the state they have got themselves in.
 
I have no idea if announcements are going to be made or not. it is all rather fluid at the moment.

Are you wound up again?
 
Interesting Facebook post from Robert Peston suggesting may is fucked

I agree with Peston, and it will probably trigger some form of challenge from the Brexiteers - but I don't think she is in as bad a position as "fucked" would suggest. The Brexiteers are a significant part of the top of the Tory Party, but they aren't in the Commons and not in the country (at least in terms of people who share their actual views).
 
I'm not wound up at all. You've (yet again) shown yourself up as a bullshitter who's gets mugged every time. Breathless nonsense from pro-brexit commentators from a clickbait website isn't analysis.

Go and whinge to someone who gives more than a couple of tosses what you think mate. You are wasting your time here.
 
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Not that I'm fussed about the clickbait stuff but it does seem difficult to me to see how the May government can continue to receive the support of the DUP and also pursue the position on the border with Ireland which is being demanded by the Irish government.
 
it's impossible, isn't it?

They've promised no hard border - or Ireland will veto moving on to trade talks,

The DUP won't support any border between NI and the rest of the UK.

If the whole UK stays in the customs union and the single market then Boris and Gove will have to storm out of cabinet and go and play with William Rees Fucking Mogg in some new Hard Brexit Tory party.

I suppose the DUP will have to decide if they're prepared to risk another general election with Corbyn's Labour looking strong (first poll giving Lab a parliamentary majority today apparently).
 
Today's scores....

Ireland 1-0 UK...

If the Irish Government thinks that they are idiots, perhaps even greater idiots than someone who relies on DIP votes thinking they will get away with putting the Irish border in the Irish sea.

If there is no agreement on having 'a bit' of a border, whether that has a physical manifestation or not, then the UK will fall out of the EU with no deal of any kind in place in March 2019. At which point there will have to be a full border put in place - which, as any Irish political or economic commentator will tell you, will do far more harm to the Republic than it will to the UK, or even just NI.

If you don't like borders, then having a little bit of a border is probably a better result than having a lot of a border. The Irish government have, IMV, taken their succour from the economic argument of the UK pushing for an EU trade deal and failed to consider the optics of a foreign government demanding economic, and therefore political, partition of a sovereign country for their own political and economic interests.

Which is somewhat ironic....
 
If there's going t be chaos anyway, I don't think it would be premature for London, Liverpool, Newcastle, and Cardiff to secede if they can't get the same deal as NI, the whole "UK as Singapore" idea might come to pass in a different way than some originally hoped.
 
I suppose the DUP will have to decide if they're prepared to risk another general election with Corbyn's Labour looking strong (first poll giving Lab a parliamentary majority today apparently).
No. There's been a number of polls with a Labour lead (in fact a majority). The Indie is getting breathless over a poll by Survation giving Lab an 8 point lead - while at the same time ignoring all the other polls that have it much closer.
 
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