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Is Brexit actually going to happen?

Will we have a brexit?

  • Yes - A fully independant Britain making its own way in the world (apart from scotland).

    Votes: 66 18.2%

  • A Semi-Detached Norway type deal

    Votes: 111 30.7%

  • No - 2nd referendum and/or face saving fudge to let us slink back in feeling a bit fucking stupid

    Votes: 185 51.1%
  • Total voters
    362
Bit of a side issue, but Bercow's battle with the government must be without precedent, at least with recent speakers and particularly in terms of tone. I find it amusing that he's annoying the tories, but ain't trying to portray him as some kind of democratic hero - he's an (apparently) abusive wanker. Still, he's stirring the pot.
And on Monday the Commons Speaker, John Bercow, was forced to bat off questions from loyal Tory MPs suggesting he was willing to facilitate a backbench takeover. “I have no intention of taking lectures in doing right by Parliament from people who have been conspicuous in denial of and, sometimes, contempt for it,” he said. “I will stand up for the rights of the Commons and I won’t be pushed around by agents of the executive.”
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May faces crushing Brexit defeat despite last-minute plea to MPs
 
groan - some speculation - which i suspect will turn out to be right - that when may's deal get's booted into touch tomorrow she will try and get an extension of a few months on the withdrawal date so she can go back to the EU. Apparently according to "sources within the cabinet" the EU are indicating they will offer some concessions once may's deal has been rejected (Why on earth they would suddenly change their position is anybodies guess)
What it actually mean is that may will have bought herself a bit more time to go back and forth between two brick walls getting nowhere - just like she has been doing for the past two years.

Now i was hoping that the tories might just chuck her overboard once she has been thoroughly humiliated and the whole point of her premiership has been flushed down the toilet - but apparently there is no appetite to do that from either wing of the tory party cos it would ignite a massive fuck off civil war. They want to keep May there so all the brexit dog shit bags can be hung off her.
So we will be exactly where we were and nothing will have changed.

Just ... make ... it ... fucking ... stop.
 
Kaka Tim said:
groan - some speculation - which i suspect will turn out to be right - that when may's deal get's booted into touch tomorrow she will try and get an extension of a few months on the withdrawal date so she can go back to the EU. Apparently according to "sources within the cabinet" the EU are indicating they will offer some concessions once may's deal has been rejected (Why on earth they would suddenly change their position is anybodies guess)
What it actually mean is that may will have bought herself a bit more time to go back and forth between two brick walls getting nowhere - just like she has been doing for the past two years.

Now i was hoping that the tories might just chuck her overboard once she has been thoroughly humiliated and the whole point of her premiership has been flushed down the toilet - but apparently there is no appetite to do that from either wing of the tory party cos it would ignite a massive fuck off civil war. They want to keep May there so all the brexit dog shit bags can be hung off her.
So we will be exactly where we were and nothing will have changed.

Just ... make ... it ... fucking ... stop.
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The saving grace here is May (the month) EU elections and financial contributions...or not... i heard there might be a way around (some precedent from an eastern european country...cant remember the details...government appoint somebody rather than an election or something). but the absolute deadline is July when a new term of EU parliament sits? I think thats what i heard.
ETA: yes, July. But that would mean an agreement to circumnavigate the EU elections and spending round, which might get blocked by the commons.

bluergh
 
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Kaka Tim said:
groan - some speculation - which i suspect will turn out to be right - that when may's deal get's booted into touch tomorrow she will try and get an extension of a few months on the withdrawal date so she can go back to the EU. Apparently according to "sources within the cabinet" the EU are indicating they will offer some concessions once may's deal has been rejected (Why on earth they would suddenly change their position is anybodies guess)
What it actually mean is that may will have bought herself a bit more time to go back and forth between two brick walls getting nowhere - just like she has been doing for the past two years.

Now i was hoping that the tories might just chuck her overboard once she has been thoroughly humiliated and the whole point of her premiership has been flushed down the toilet - but apparently there is no appetite to do that from either wing of the tory party cos it would ignite a massive fuck off civil war. They want to keep May there so all the brexit dog shit bags can be hung off her.
So we will be exactly where we were and nothing will have changed.

Just ... make ... it ... fucking ... stop.
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I could totally see that to be fair. I still think the end game would be revoking A50 but never rule out kicking the can further down the road.
 
What time is the farce vote?

latest
 
SpackleFrog said:
Ch 4 news pushing this guy as speaking for banking industry. Doesn't quote in article but in video as well as saying no deal apocalyptic and May's deal bad he said a 2nd ref risks a bigger mandate for leave and should be avoided.

UK finance chief warns of no-deal Brexit ‘catastrophe’ for banking indusry

Also spied Chukka demanding Corbyn table no confidence and extend A50.
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Time for 'left' remainers to take a fucking good look at themselves when even a remainer banker gets it better than they do:

He also said the banking industry could do more to bridge social divides, saying: “There’s no question that the social costs of austerity and frankly the lack of benefit for the so-called boom times leading up to the credit crisis accruing to London and the South East are a real factor that has driven Brexit and something that we as a country and perhaps we as industry need to try and help heal.

“There’s no question in my mind that the psyche of we’re not being listened to by those Londoners and that the benefit of the boom economy in London hasn’t accrued to the rest of the country is something that has fed through to the Brexit vote.”
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Kaka Tim said:
(Why on earth they would suddenly change their position is anybodies guess)
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Because they want a deal, but indicating beforehand that they are willing to make some movement (probably not a lot in this case but some) weakens their hand.

This is classic negotiating tactics, the position you put out publicly, the position you put to other side of the table and your actual position will often differ.
 
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redsquirrel said:
Because they want a deal, but indicating beforehand that they are willing to make some movement (probably not a lot in this case but some) weakens their hand.

This is classic negotiating tactics, the position you put out publicly, the position you put to other side of the table and your actual position will often differ.
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Its not a negotiating tactic - at best its the EU playing along with Mays self-delusion. They are not going to shift on the fundamentals - Irish border, free movement and customs union - the whole back stop bruhah. not in a million years. Its just spin put out by the government. It will be just some more warm words and a couple of very minor tweaks.
The EU are basically rolling there eyes and waiting for the UK political system to actually agree on something.
 
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