Is Brexit actually going to happen?

[teuchter]

who's idea was it to have her give the speech while surrounded by mugs

Looks to me like a load of delicate chinaware in precarious stacks which will come crashing down as a result of a move in the wrong direction.

 

[SpackleFrog]

Where are the numbers in parliament coming from for this?

Huge majority of MP's are Remain, no?

I don't think that it will get voted on, so the numbers won't be an issue.

I think a number of things will be going on.

First, that "no Brexit" becomes the "only sensible option" in the immediate term.

Second that A50 gets revoked "temporarily, but indefinitely.

Third that those in power "wargame" the fallout of no Brexit and figure that they can ride it out.

Fourth (and this is what I read into May's speech) that the various camps are able to all blame "someone else" for the collapse of Brexit and thus diffuse the backlash.

Utter speculation in my part of course. But that's all anyone can offer right now, no?

I think it will get voted on. Once a govt is in place that will cancel Brexit, they'll fall over themselves to vote for that - after all the govt will get the blame not the MP's.

 

[SpackleFrog]

The ECJ judgement is clear that revocation of Art. 50 cannot be used as a delaying tactic. It needs to be to stop Brexit, following a democratic mandate. I think this could be a vote in Parliament or a 2nd Ref (which would then need a vote in Parliament anyway).

*shrug* They don't seem bothered. EU preparing to delay Brexit until at least July

 

[Ted Striker]

Looks to me like a load of delicate chinaware in precarious stacks which will come crashing down as a result of a move in the wrong direction.

"Do the dance!".....CRASH

 

[Ted Striker]

"Do the dance!".....CRASH

 

[killer b]

Huge majority of MP's are Remain, no?

No, there isn't. There's not even 150 for a second referendum.

 

[SpackleFrog]

No, there isn't. There's not even 150 for a second referendum.

OK, huge majority of MP's were Remain in previous referendum.

 

[killer b]

OK, huge majority of MP's were Remain in previous referendum.

So what?

 

[andysays]

*shrug* They don't seem bothered. EU preparing to delay Brexit until at least July

A delay is not a revocation.

They might start with a delay, and then engineer a full revocation, but it's important to understand the difference.

 

[SpackleFrog]

So what?

And if they think there's a chance that the whole thing can go away they'll grab the chance.

 

[SpackleFrog]

A delay is not a revocation.

They might start with a delay, and then engineer a full revocation, but it's important to understand the difference.

Sorry should have been clear - what I meant was that since they're quite happy to accept an extension it's redundant whether you can revoke and then invoke A50 again.

 

[killer b]

And if they think there's a chance that the whole thing can go away they'll grab the chance.

they won't though. partly at least because voting to revoke article 50 will not 'make the whole thing go away'.

 

[SpackleFrog]

they won't though. partly at least because voting to revoke article 50 will not 'make the whole thing go away'.

I'm not saying it will go away and I'm talking about what they will do if they believe there is a chance it can be made to go away.

 

[killer b]

They won't believe there's a chance it would go away though, so they won't.

 

[ViolentPanda]

What they fear is the death of 1000 cunts, the massacre of MPs and other enemies of the people

More likely to be "death of 100,000 cunts" then, if we're getting rid of them all.

 

[chilango]

They won't believe there's a chance it would go away though, so they won't.

Don't overestimate their complacency.

This whole mess is just the latest example of their beliefs being utterly out of touch with reality.

 

[chilango]

That said I don't think even they're daft enough to go for a second referendum.

I think they'll drop it without one.

 

[cupid_stunt]

So, as the most important decision this country is about to undertake in my lifetime, and the debate continues - only about 10-20% of MPs can be arsed to be in the house.

 

[killer b]

it's teatime.

 

[cupid_stunt]

The bars are open.

 

[TheHoodedClaw]

So, as the most important decision this country is about to undertake in my lifetime, and the debate continues - only about 10-20% of MPs can be arsed to be in the house.

Corbyn and May have both held mass meetings with MPs in the last hour or so. Plus, at this stage of the debate it's Random Backbencher #573 sharing their reckonings, and who has time for that shit.

 

[Supine]

So, as the most important decision this country is about to undertake in my lifetime, and the debate continues - only about 10-20% of MPs can be arsed to be in the house.

Get with the times grandad. WhatsApp is on fire tonight in sw1

 

[cupid_stunt]

So, basically take the debate out of the house, out of public view.

May as well call it a day, and close the house down.

 

[teuchter]

So, basically take the debate out of the house, out of public view.

May as well call it a day, and close the house down.

The main thing is that things are being discussed somewhere in London. It's like you said about scotland - if you don't like it feel free to leave the UK.

 

[cupid_stunt]

The main thing is that things are being discussed somewhere in London. It's like you said about scotland - if you don't like it feel free to leave the UK.

You are such a low level troll, once in a while you hit the spot, but generally you come across as a complete twat.

 

[DexterTCN]

You are such a low level troll, once in a while you hit the spot, but generally you come across as a complete twat.

Really? I thought it was a great reply.

 

[not-bono-ever]

i have spunked a free bet tenner on a pass vote at 9/1.

 

[cupid_stunt]

Really? I thought it was a great reply.

Funny enough, I have him on the same list as the likes of you and Gromit.

 

[xenon]

hm I got 16 to 1. First meaningful vote passes.

 

[DexterTCN]

Funny enough, I have him on the same list as the likes of you and Gromit.

Well as long as you're making lists of people I'm sure you're on the right track