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Is Brexit actually going to happen?

Will we have a brexit?


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not all leavers are thick/ not all remainers are snobs.This whole issue may have ensured that the arrogant political classes do a bit of shape shifting and cling on for a bit longer.fuckers
Aye but you have to forgive us for being reactionary sometimes given the sheer fuckton of snobbery we’ve had to wade through in our political wellies.
 
How dare neil have a opinion the northern thicko
Only real heavyweights should get involved in politics like Brand and izzard :D
 
Ever since 2016 I've been appalled at attempts by Remainiacs to portray Brexiteers as thick, selfish nationalists...

All hail the Exception that Proves the Rule!
I hadn’t considered the football element. Be great if the heavy guns of the thread could thrash that one out, since everything else has been done.

Warning: we found it harder to get involved in the good old “anyone but England” harmless ribbing in the pub post/during Indy ref, which used to be fun for all the nations. Then the last World Cup I actually ended up wanting to sing “it’s coming home” all the time just as a wee fist of solidarity given our English comrades had had such a tough year, with Scotland no helping matters. Footballwise, it seems we aren’t having as much fun as we used to, and this can only get worse after Brexit.
 
grauniad reporting that the EU would accept an article 50 extension till July+ (if may requests it following her defeat next week). All sorts of things become logically possible at that point, the most logical being a general election to get a majority government in place who could negotiate and get an actual deal through parliament. Problem is it's hard to see how the votes stack up to get to a gen election. I doubt that May would resign even though she would have failed on her most central claim, that Britain will leave the EU at the end of March. Tory MP's can no longer hoy her out now of course.

An utter bollux of a situation. Probability is that things would just limp on as they have done and at some point over the Summer a mixture of knighthoods, backstop rewording and the rest squeaks something through. However it's still hard to see the point at which either party sees it in their interest to call for a 2nd ref.
 
grauniad reporting that the EU would accept an article 50 extension till July+ (if may requests it following her defeat next week). All sorts of things become logically possible at that point, the most logical being a general election to get a majority government in place who could negotiate and get an actual deal through parliament. Problem is it's hard to see how the votes stack up to get to a gen election. I doubt that May would resign even though she would have failed on her most central claim, that Britain will leave the EU at the end of March. Tory MP's can no longer hoy her out now of course.

An utter bollux of a situation. Probability is that things would just limp on as they have done and at some point over the Summer a mixture of knighthoods, backstop rewording and the rest squeaks something through. However it's still hard to see the point at which either party sees it in their interest to call for a 2nd ref.
most likely scenario to me is an attempt to have a ge as a referendum on the issue, and the attempt failing to resolve anything

either that or parliament revoking article 50 at the last possible moment
 
most likely scenario to me is an attempt to have a ge as a referendum on the issue, and the attempt failing to resolve anything

either that or parliament revoking article 50 at the last possible moment
After losing the vote, I reckon she'll be in Brussels on Tuesday evening/Wednesday morning negotiating a postponement of A50 whilst No 10 set up the required amendment to the EU withdrawal Act (March 29) back at base. She'll blame the IRA/Hamas loving enemies of the people, obvs.

That guarantees one thing only; her survival as PM. (Can't see Corbo's VoNC getting anywhere tbh).
 
most likely scenario to me is an attempt to have a ge as a referendum on the issue, and the attempt failing to resolve anything

either that or parliament revoking article 50 at the last possible moment
Yeah, I think that's the case in a number of ways. Labour have a battle of their own remain and leave factions when it comes to their GE manifesto/stance - a problem that would intensify if they came to power (even more so if that was with snp support). The Tories problem is that while a GE might well give them an outright majority, that's unlikely to be big enough to overcome the opposition + headbanger bloc that would still line up on key votes.
 
After losing the vote, I reckon she'll be in Brussels on Tuesday evening/Wednesday morning negotiating a postponement of A50 whilst No 10 set up the required amendment to the EU withdrawal Act (March 29) back at base. She'll blame the IRA/Hamas loving enemies of the people, obvs.

That guarantees one thing only; her survival as PM. (Can't see Corbo's VoNC getting anywhere tbh).
Corbyn's a voncker
 
After losing the vote, I reckon she'll be in Brussels on Tuesday evening/Wednesday morning negotiating a postponement of A50 whilst No 10 set up the required amendment to the EU withdrawal Act (March 29) back at base. She'll blame the IRA/Hamas loving enemies of the people, obvs.

That guarantees one thing only; her survival as PM. (Can't see Corbo's VoNC getting anywhere tbh).
Certainly the vonc won't get anywhere. I dread to think what goes on in May's bonce, but I also can't see her resigning until she loses at least 2 'substantive' votes on Brexit. And as the tory party doesn't seem to have the men in gray suits any more, I'm not sure how her party levers her out. She stays until a deal is done or, somehow, there's an (unlikely) set of circumstances that produces either a GE or a 2nd ref.
 
A general election would just be awful. Presumably it would be a corbyn ticket of delivering brexit against the will of his party vs whoever the tories put up. Would that be a headbanger Brexiteer like Mogg or a mays deal bino candidate? The public wojld essentially get no choice between staying in or leaving.
 
After losing the vote, I reckon she'll be in Brussels on Tuesday evening/Wednesday morning negotiating a postponement of A50 whilst No 10 set up the required amendment to the EU withdrawal Act (March 29) back at base. She'll blame the IRA/Hamas loving enemies of the people, obvs.

That guarantees one thing only; her survival as PM. (Can't see Corbo's VoNC getting anywhere tbh).

As if by....

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A general election would just be awful. Presumably it would be a corbyn ticket of delivering brexit against the will of his party vs whoever the tories put up. Would that be a headbanger Brexiteer like Mogg or a mays deal bino candidate? The public wojld essentially get no choice between staying in or leaving.

is that much different to 2017?

pro-remain voters can always vote LD or green like they did in 2017...
 
pro-remain voters can always vote LD or green like they did in 2017...

Doesn't really work does it. A GE would only settle matters if the two main parties took opposing sides. As that isn't going to happen I think we need a referendum on Stay vs Mays Deal.
 
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