Is Brexit actually going to happen?

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I saw Tim Martin on a Ch4 news discussion panel. He's very passionate about this issue, even adorning his pubs with propaganda, but you have stop for a moment.
1) How is his business going to be affected by Brexit , particularly staff recruitment?
2) Why is he so driven by this issue when he has built up huge business while the Uk has been a member of the EU?
3) He claims food prices will drop out of the EU, how could they be any cheaper in Wetherspoons anyway?

He has started to stock all his pubs with British produce gradually removing non-European stuff....
I think people have been saying the portion size has been reduced in the pubs.

 

[Pickman's model]

He has started to stock all his pubs with British produce gradually removing non-European stuff....
I think people have been saying the portion size has been reduced in the pubs.

Oh the portions started declining years ago

When I ordered nachos in the tally ho in North finchley or the moon under water in Barnet in the early 90s there was enough to share. After a year or two the amount of food but not the price declined. Now it's very much a portion for one

 

[Yossarian]

Oh the portions started declining years ago

When I ordered nachos in the tally ho in North finchley or the moon under water in Barnet in the early 90s there was enough to share. After a year or two the amount of food but not the price declined. Now it's very much a portion for one

"The portions have always been the same size. All the best wine has always come from Belarus. Brexit means Brexit."

 

[Baronage-Phase]

The EU has been supporting the privatisation and marketisation of public services for decades. What the fuck do you think happened in Greece, Ireland, Portugal, etc

If you're going to argue for Remaining ok, but this nonsense of the white knight EU is not just wrong but revolting when people are dying as a result of policies enacted by the EU.

I think you'll find Thatcher was adept at all that too....And she was completely uncontrollable and pretty unaccountable to anyone.

Great. More shit from LibDem wankers.
Wouldn't want to do anything about lovely trade. Might infer with implementing tuition fees, the bedroom tax, attacks on social security and public services.

Like Blair's intervention yesterday the above is the best support the Leave campaign can get.

Whether you like it or not the UK needs trade...it's what keeps it going. The UK will not survive as a level 4 WTO member. You may think you've enough to feed your citizens but you'll find that the most vulnerable will be worse off because the first things to go will be welfare...and benefits.
I don't get how you can't see this?

Your government will not have to answer to the EU. They'll do exactly what they want and you think they're suddenly going to change their spots and give more money to the NHS and the more vulnerable? Not a chance. No they'll up taxes and screw every last penny out of public servants. The super rich will not stick around...sure they'll keep a few pads but they won't live in The UK long enough every year to pay taxes. Banks will stop giving loans....because of high risk and no guaranteed returns if trade is shite....think about that for a minute...there goes manufacturing and industry. Small businesses may as well kiss their asses goodbye.

Leave is a great option for anyone who believes in a return to pre WW2 times. Start saving brown paper and string cos by the time all that money you owe is paid back to the EU (2065) The UK will not exist. NI will be part of ROI and the EU. Scotland will also have opted for freedom and will be in the EU.
Dunno anything about Wales.
England will be an outcrop on the edge of Europe and I'm sorry but it'll be fucked. Its never going to be like Norway because it hasnt got that "north sea gas and oil" wealth to share with its citizens. People will leave the UK in droves for work elsewhere. You will lose a generation or even two.

But why even think about that when you can be like this....

 

[two sheds]

Oh the portions started declining years ago

When I ordered nachos in the tally ho in North finchley or the moon under water in Barnet in the early 90s there was enough to share. After a year or two the amount of food but not the price declined. Now it's very much a portion for one

The fields round my house have shrunk since I got here, too

 

[redsquirrel]

I think you'll find Thatcher was adept at all that too....And she was completely uncontrollable and pretty unaccountable to anyone.

The difference being no one has claimed otherwise.

The rest of the rubbish you posted is again the type of crap that made people decide to vote leave.

Anyway government continuing to try to get Labour MPs onside.

Ms Rudd - who backed Remain in the referendum - said she supported Mrs May's deal and advocated assembling a "coalition" to avoid what she called "the rocks of no deal".

She said the country "will face serious trouble" if MPs "dig in against the prime minister's deal".

"We need to find a plan that a majority in Parliament can support," she said.

"We need to try something different. Something that people do in the real world all the time, but which seems so alien in our political culture - to engage with others and be willing to forge a consensus.

"It also requires everyone to abandon outrage and accusations."

Dangerous game. If they really do plan on getting May's deal through on Labour votes then those Tories opposed end up getting pushed into going to a VoNC.

 

[paolo]

There's an idea that's been growing on this thread.

The British border in Ireland, is a problem entirely of the Irish/EU making.

The problem is nothing to do with the British or Brexit.

WTAF.

 

[JimW]

So is there nothing the EU, vaunted granter of workers' rights, can do to stop the Hungarian government's latest attack on working hours?

 

[paolo]

So is there nothing the EU, vaunted granter of workers' rights, can do to stop the Hungarian government's latest attack on working hours?

Do you mean the EU should have *more* controls over working hours, or that nations should be able to opt out and have *less* control by the EU?

 

[redsquirrel]

There's an idea that's been growing on this thread.

The British border in Ireland, is a problem entirely of the Irish/EU making.

The problem is nothing to do with the British or Brexit.

WTAF.

The problem is nothing to do with either the Irish or the British. The amalgamation of populaces with their governments (as in your post) is the problem.

Fuck the EU, the Irish government and the British government.

 

[JimW]

Do you mean the EU should have *more* controls over working hours, or that nations should be able to opt out and have *less* control by the EU?

No, I meant quite clearly it's not EU membership that brings worker protections.

 

[paolo]

No, I meant quite clearly it's not EU membership that brings worker protections.

So if we get rid of the Working Time Directive, people in the UK will work *less* hours?

Working Time Directive 2003 - Wikipedia

 

[mauvais]

If there's one thing we can surely all agree on, it's that it's "fewer".

 

[JimW]

So if we get rid of the Working Time Directive, people in the UK will work *less* hours?

How does that question even follow unless you think the EU is the only political force able to impact the state of workers' protections?

 

[JimW]

If there's one thing we can surely all agree on, it's that it's "fewer".

Think paolo might be right there actually, "less hours" is a special usage when it comes to working time I reckon.

 

[mauvais]

And that's why we've got Brexit.

 

[redsquirrel]

So if we get rid of the Working Time Directive, people in the UK will work *less* hours?

Working Time Directive 2003 - Wikipedia

As has been pointed out time and again, this isn't nation states vs the EU. They support each other.

 

[butchersapron]

Do NOT look at Hungary. Do NOT look at Hungary.
DO refer to hypotheticals. Do NOT look at Hungary.

Talking about auschwitz without talking about capital

 

[NoXion]

So if we get rid of the Working Time Directive, people in the UK will work *less* hours?

Working Time Directive 2003 - Wikipedia

Is this the same Working Time Directive that prospective employees are encouraged to tick away by employers?

 

[paolo]

How does that question even follow unless you think the EU is the only political force able to impact the state of workers' protections?

You: "I meant quite clearly it's not EU membership that brings worker protections."

Now we get into clarifications. You've now said "the only"... and I'll agree with you on that.

Protections can have many sources, and the EU isn't the sole arbiter. Generally though, they can only add, not take away.

 

[paolo]

Is this the same Working Time Directive that prospective employees are encouraged to tick away by employers?

Yeah that one.

The EU should enforce it more strongly.

(Or do you think it should be scrapped?)

 

[binka]

Is this the same Working Time Directive that prospective employees are encouraged to tick away by employers?

I was about to post the same thing. It's absolutely standard for all new employees to be presented with a form at the start of their employment asking them to opt out of the wtd. Of course you don't have to sign it...

 

[redsquirrel]

Protections can have many sources, and the EU isn't the sole arbiter. Generally though, they can only add, not take away.

FFS. The Greek people must be really glad how the EU added to their welfare.

 

[paolo]

I was about to post the same thing. It's absolutely standard for all new employees to be presented with a form at the start of their employment asking them to opt out of the wtd. Of course you don't have to sign it...

Should we enforce the EU directive? Prevent the opt out?

 

[binka]

Should we enforce the EU directive? Prevent the opt out?

We? I don't think I'm going to be much use

 

[andysays]

Yeah that one.

The EU should enforce it more strongly.

(Or do you think it should be scrapped?)

Any thoughts as to why 'the EU' doesn't enforce it more strongly?

 

[redsquirrel]

Should we enforce the EU directive? Prevent the opt out?

"We" who?

 

[paolo]

Any thoughts as to why 'the EU' doesn't enforce it more strongly?

No, I barely know what our own parliament is doing one day from the next.

What's your theory in this master end game of 27 countries on the working time directive? Bildeberg?

 

[NoXion]

Yeah that one.

The EU should enforce it more strongly.

(Or do you think it should be scrapped?)

They should, but they don't. Funny, that.

 

[binka]

No, I barely know what our own parliament is doing one day from the next.

What's your theory in this master end game of 27 countries on the working time directive? Bildeberg?

I don't know what the end game is but I'm starting to suspect it might not be a workers paradise