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Is Brexit actually going to happen?

Will we have a brexit?


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Fairytale stuff I know, but I was talking to someone this evening at a work do who reckons a mutually beneficial Brexit deal has long been informally agreed between the UK and the EU, but the political circus we've all been subjected to for the last year+ is a premeditated plot designed to both fool the populace into believing the final agreement will have been very hard fought and thus worthy, and dissuade the citizens of other EU countries with similar inclinations from pushing ahead with plans for their own referendum.

As conspiracy theories go, that's one I would happily see being confirmed. Sadly I think it's more likely there are alien glass dome bases on the Moon.
 
Good time for a shitpost then ..feast your eyes on this bleeeur
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Seemingly the ECJ attended to their case at lightening speed, which was obviously due to them being really shit scared of Smith, Jolyon and Co, aye.
Alyn Smith taking on the might of the EU back in 2016:
 
Fairytale stuff I know, but I was talking to someone this evening at a work do who reckons a mutually beneficial Brexit deal has long been informally agreed between the UK and the EU, but the political circus we've all been subjected to for the last year+ is a premeditated plot designed to both fool the populace into believing the final agreement will have been very hard fought and thus worthy, and dissuade the citizens of other EU countries with similar inclinations from pushing ahead with plans for their own referendum.

As conspiracy theories go, that's one I would happily see being confirmed. Sadly I think it's more likely there are alien glass dome bases on the Moon.
The media circus is surely 9/10ths everyone needing to post something fabulous and sublime every 2 minutes lest they become irrelevant. Little do they know....
 
"Unite leader warns Labour against backing second EU referendum"

guardian article here

It’s yet another “sources” piece, but even with that caveat it’s an eyebrow raiser.

Anyone recall (I can’t google this minute) what Unite’s position was before this?
 
It’s yet another “sources” piece, but even with that caveat it’s an eyebrow raiser.

Anyone recall (I can’t google this minute) what Unite’s position was before this?
Essentially - we must support brexit, although the Tory deal will be shit, so we should force a general election, tho maybe, just maybe, consider a second referendum if absolutely desperate.

“We are also open to the possibility of a popular vote being held on any deal, depending on political circumstances. Within these principles, the Executive Council has authority to respond as it thinks best to a fast-changing political situation.”
 
Off on an anecdotal tangent. Excuse me.

I’ve had a few random chats with EU mainland people in the last month. People who don’t live here.

The perception (only a few asks, statistically irrelevant) was “you have left”. I have to emphasise this was not a confrontational POV. A shrug.

The thing that struck me was that they think it’s already happened.

*waffling* As you were.

There are also UK-resident people still scared they'll be deported or chased out with pointy sticks.

Bearing in mind lots of people have come here from places in Europe where large fascist mobs aren't uncommon, nor overtly fascist police and mainstream politicians, its understandable that some folk aren't trusting in assurances from politicians that they're still welcome here.
 
Looking forward to tomorrow in parliament. Haven't got a clue what they are discussing, but it's bound to be funny. :thumbs:

'My government is happy to announce that all MPs voting for the deal will receive a small book of 2nd class stamps, a porcelain figurine of Michael Gove and an almost full bottle of Blue Stratos'.
 
There are also UK-resident people still scared they'll be deported or chased out with pointy sticks.

Bearing in mind lots of people have come here from places in Europe where large fascist mobs aren't uncommon, nor overtly fascist police and mainstream politicians, its understandable that some folk aren't trusting in assurances from politicians that they're still welcome here.
Sounds charming. Where do I sign up for a 2nd referendum? Halt Brexit!
 
I knew I was failing to make a point. Apologies.

It was that I’ve met people who think we have already left. :(

:( At you.


Public consultation wasn't best of 3. The onus should have been on those that lost to work towards a workable way of accepting and working with the result.
 
broadly, unite were pro-remain before the referendum.

as of september, seemed to be in favour of a vote on the deal not a second referendum (more here)

That’s correct. But crucially Unite’s lay leadership is under no doubts that support for a second referendum (a people’s vote :rolleyes:) would go down like a lump of shit amongst its activist base. Even those whose who support remain recognise that the democratic consequences outweigh the unions arguments for remain (which some of us don’t accept in any case)
 
leave is turning out to be a people carrier that can do 0 to 60 in under 5 seconds while being economical and easy to park:hmm:
What people want and what's actually possible are completely different things.

Similarly, remain is presented as some sort of workers paradise and democratic idyll that's secured peace in our time etc
 
Today's Times' 'what next?' flowchart is interesting

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