Is Brexit actually going to happen?

[The Fornicator]

I’m not sure exactly what he means.

I could see them backing ROI if it’s up for reunification. Is that it?

It's to do with the Back Stop extending over time causing - by some mechanism, I was distracted - to separate GB and NI via the CU. I'm sure it'll be repeated often tonight. This is the realm of the obtuse I mentioned earlier.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Given the seeming magnitude of whats going on its not surprising that they all want to make a speech. Wouldn't you be a bit bothered if your MP decided they had nothing to say on the subject? I mean what would be the point of sending them to Parliament to be a representative and then decide they're not going to contribute to this debate?

Yea fair point. No reason they shouldn't enjoy it either. It they don't they're probably in the wrong job

 

[Pickman's model]

I know it's complicated, but what you read on Twitter is written by people, and people earn money from writing and from having insight. Twitter is called a *platform*.

You sound a little bitter at not having the authority of qualified professionals.

What qualifications do you have?

 

[SpackleFrog]

I’m not sure exactly what he means.

I could see them backing ROI if it’s up for reunification. Is that it?

My understanding of the proposed deal is that Northern Ireland could end up permanently in the customs union, which might make it considerably more economically attractive than it is currently. Whether Irish capitalism is really up for re-unification I'm not sure but I think the deal brings NI closer to the EU and to the Eurozone.

 

[The Fornicator]

Exactly.

We could have of course just asked Winot, who has read the document.

 

[Pickman's model]

My understanding of the proposed deal is that Northern Ireland could end up permanently in the customs union, which might make it considerably more economically attractive than it is currently. Whether Irish capitalism is really up for re-unification I'm not sure but I think the deal brings NI closer to the EU and to the Eurozone.

Not sure it's really *Irish* capitalism given the penetration of the market by multinationals, any more than you have british capitalism when do much of the infrastructure etc is owned by foreign firms

 

[Winot]

I know it's complicated, but what you read on Twitter is written by people, and people earn money from writing and from having insight. Twitter is called a *platform*.

You sound a little bitter at not having the authority of qualified professionals.

You’re not making a lot of sense. I commented earlier that there weren’t many surprises in the full advice and you took umbrage at that. Not sure why.

I’m a lawyer so well aware of the value of professional advice. I’m not an expert in this area but follow a number of commentators who are.

Here’s David Allen Green in the FT this afternoon:

“There is, in fact, little that would not be gained by closely reading the withdrawal agreement itself. Anyone claiming some grand revelation from this advice is admitting they have not read or understood the draft deal.”

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If you think he’s wrong then feel free to write to him to explain your expertise. I’m sure he’ll be fascinated.

 

[SpackleFrog]

Not sure it's really *Irish* capitalism given the penetration of the market by multinationals, any more than you have british capitalism when do much of the infrastructure etc is owned by foreign firms

Fair enough - would you accept Irish bourgeoisie?

 

[andysays]

My understanding of the proposed deal is that Northern Ireland could end up permanently in the customs union, which might make it considerably more economically attractive than it is currently. Whether Irish capitalism is really up for re-unification I'm not sure but I think the deal brings NI closer to the EU and to the Eurozone.

I haven't read the agreement in detail so I might be missing something, but I thought the 'backstop' provides for the whole UK to remain in the Customs Union until both parties (EU & UK) agree that a solution has been found to the Irish border issue.

The only possibility of NI remaining in the CU while Britain did not would be if the UK govt agreed to it, using the argument that 'losing' NI was a price worth paying in order to achieve a meaningful Brexit. But I'm not sure any likely UK govt, of whatever party, would consider that an option, if only because of the potential political fallout.

 

[The Fornicator]

You’re not making a lot of sense. I commented earlier that there weren’t many surprises in the full advice and you took umbrage at that. Not sure why.

I’m a lawyer so well aware of the value of professional advice. I’m not an expert in this area but follow a number of commentators who are.

Here’s David Allen Green in the FT this afternoon:

“There is, in fact, little that would not be gained by closely reading the withdrawal agreement itself. Anyone claiming some grand revelation from this advice is admitting they have not read or understood the draft deal.”

Subscribe to read | Financial Times

If you think he’s wrong then feel free to write to him to explain your expertise. I’m sure he’ll be fascinated.

I'm making perfect sense, you're being a cunt. "Who else thinks .." as if you're 12-years old in the school playground. Really, when did you last use that phrase in your life.

"You're not making a lot of sense .." And you, Mr/s Twitter and the well-know international lawyer Paul Mason do.

 

[teqniq]

Leave ‘very likely’ won Brexit referendum due to illegal overspending, Oxford professor to tell High Court

 

[grit]

Not sure it's really *Irish* capitalism given the penetration of the market by multinationals, any more than you have british capitalism when do much of the infrastructure etc is owned by foreign firms

We invited them in with open arms to launder their money in exchange for jobs and capital investment. That is Irish capitalism, some argue it's the only play available to us as a cold wet rock on the side of the Atlantic.

 

[Kid_Eternity]

Starting to feel like we'll have another general election soon...

 

[Wilf]

Leave ‘very likely’ won Brexit referendum due to illegal overspending, Oxford professor to tell High Court

Well, it may well be true. By definition, in a close-ish (but not knifedge) vote, any one single factor might have taken the result in another direction. But - even if the overspend was illegal - it's an elitist politics to try and overturn a result that way. And, to be honest, it doesn't sound that plausible that the overspend really did flip that many voters, turn non-voters into voters etc. Feels like another Gina Miller move to me.

 

[gosub]

Leave ‘very likely’ won Brexit referendum due to illegal overspending, Oxford professor to tell High Court

this £10 million spend is estimated to have helped remain by 3%. Oddly HMG decided not to pursue ANY of the 3 possible leave outcomes it said were possible in the event of a Leave vote

 

[Supine]

We invited them in with open arms to launder their money in exchange for jobs and capital investment. That is Irish capitalism, some argue it's the only play available to us as a cold wet rock on the side of the Atlantic.

Is a great cold wet rock for the manufacture of pharmaceutical products. Lots of jobs in Ireland related to the industry (and a bunch more as manufacturing is moving there to avoid brexit)

 

[grit]

Is a great cold wet rock for the manufacture of pharmaceutical products. Lots of jobs in Ireland related to the industry (and a bunch more as manufacturing is moving there to avoid brexit)

That and IT, nothing more suited to an island nation than a industry that doesn't have to deal with traditional logistics.

 

[SpookyFrank]

this £10 million spend is estimated to have helped remain by 3%. Oddly HMG decided not to pursue ANY of the 3 possible leave outcomes it said were possible in the event of a Leave vote

HMG jumped ship the day after the vote. HM has a different G now.

 

[Duncan2]

Watching May getting dashed around in the Chamber by her own back-benchers-it really would be a miracle if she were to come through this still in post.As John McDonnell said on C4 News if her deal is rejected and there is a need to negotiate something better its not credible that she could be the one to do it.It might be my imagination but those still arguing for Remain sound increasingly like voices in the wilderness.Blowjob got one thing right when he said that the country voted for change and expects to get it.A change of Government would do for me.

 

[Sprocket.]

‘Vote for me, I’ll set you free’
Ball of Confusion.

 

[xenon]

I've not read everything on this thread lately (I still have some sanity) but why are people seemingly so confident no deal will be avoided? As I understand it, A50 needs some legistlation to be revoked. With May's deal not getting through and no revokcation of A50, no deal is the default on 29/03/19.

As for how bad or otherwise no deal would be. OK, doubtless there's a lot of scare mongering but also I've read nothing to convince me it won't be a fucking disaster. Especially with these cunts in power.

 

[paolo]

Off on an anecdotal tangent. Excuse me.

I’ve had a few random chats with EU mainland people in the last month. People who don’t live here.

The perception (only a few asks, statistically irrelevant) was “you have left”. I have to emphasise this was not a confrontational POV. A shrug.

The thing that struck me was that they think it’s already happened.

*waffling* As you were.

 

[Raheem]

I've not read everything on this thread lately (I still have some sanity) but why are people seemingly so confident no deal will be avoided? As I understand it, A50 needs some legistlation to be revoked. With May's deal not getting through and no revokcation of A50, no deal is the default on 29/03/19.

Government could bypass parliament to revoke Article 50 - Sky News

It's like the news can hear you.

 

[Sprocket.]

Government could bypass parliament to revoke Article 50 - Sky News

It's like the news can hear you.

George bloody Orwell giving them ideas!

 

[brogdale]

btw....only 24 more pages and we'll have beaten the actual agreement...come on; the final push

 

[Sprocket.]

btw....only 24 more pages and we'll have beaten the actual agreement...come on; the final push

Post on, brothers, sisters, comrades!

 

[Badgers]

btw....only 24 more pages and we'll have beaten the actual agreement...come on; the final push

Can we revoke this thread in favour of a thread about Norway or Canada or something?

 

[Sprocket.]

Can we revoke this thread in favour of a thread about Norway or Canada or something?

How about a referendum?

 

[Badgers]

How about a referendum?

Kaka Tim needs to add a second 'people's poll' to this thread

 

[Sprocket.]

Kaka Tim needs to add a second 'people's poll' to this thread

Rebel with a cause?