Is Brexit actually going to happen?

[MightyTibberton]

I can tell you now if you want, J Ed.

He's not bothered.

 

[MightyTibberton]

Thanks for asking though.

 

[gosub]

I can tell you now if you want, J Ed.

He's not bothered.

Bernie Sanders was robbed. but why Trump still bangs on about Clinton I don't know, he's only there cos Bernie Sanders was robbed.

 

[SaskiaJayne]

Countries need to elect left wing governments because they are better for ordinary folk. We need a Corbyn Labour government. The US should have elected Bernie. The French are already pissed off with Macron. I fail to see why they voted for him when he is obviously a neoliberal. They had an ok left wing candidate that they did not vote for.

 

[Supine]

I have a friend who voted Leave from a left-wing perspective.

His main arguments (that he's shared with me) were that big business, international finance, banks etc were in favour of remaining and leaving would shake things up. He also (I'm in Cardiff in south Wales) had seen what he regarded as cronyism and near corruption in the distribution of some EU funds in Wales and thought if those funds were arriving through a different mechanism then they might be distributed more fairly.

He is cerainly not anti-immigration or -immigrant at all and is completely and committedly anti-racist.

There you go. A completely unscientific, anecdotal take on Lexit!

I'll be fascinated to know his thoughts when he finds out the money won't be arriving at all rather than via a different mechanism.

Anyone who thinks lexit will be successful at this point is an idiot. Rexit is currently the only shitty game in town.

(Can I trademark rexit?)

 

[Chz]

yeh. i wonder how happy people will be if there isn't a second referendum but a fudge which sees us either remain in or leave and pay to access the customs union and single market.

Leaving and paying for access seems the worst of both worlds, though.

I'm normally all in favour of compromise, but what in hell is the point of that? We don't get the nebulous "freedoms" that people are striving for, because we still have to follow all the EU's rules to do so. And we do it while giving up any say or influence that we had in such rules. You'll upset the half of the population who wanted to stay, because you've left. And you'll upset the half of the population who wanted to leave, because you've left and received nothing at all in exchange with all the trade rules still written in Brussels. Everyone will hate it. It gives up things we have in the EU, but doesn't actually allow us to do whatever we please.

No, if we're going to leave we may as well go whole hog. I'd rather we stayed, but half-in-half-out is a waste of everyone's time.

 

[Pickman's model]

Leaving and paying for access seems the worst of both worlds, though.

I'm normally all in favour of compromise, but what in hell is the point of that? We don't get the nebulous "freedoms" that people are striving for, because we still have to follow all the EU's rules to do so. And we do it while giving up any say or influence that we had in such rules. You'll upset the half of the population who wanted to stay, because you've left. And you'll upset the half of the population who wanted to leave, because you've left and received nothing at all in exchange with all the trade rules still written in Brussels. Everyone will hate it. It gives up things we have in the EU, but doesn't actually allow us to do whatever we please.

No, if we're going to leave we may as well go whole hog. I'd rather we stayed, but half-in-half-out is a waste of everyone's time.

Yeh but it's on the cards my love

 

[Poi E]

((((money tree))))

 

[Yossarian]

Rexit is currently the only shitty game in town.

(Can I trademark rexit?)

I think that one belongs to Scooby Doo.

 

[MightyTibberton]

I'll be fascinated to know his thoughts when he finds out the money won't be arriving at all rather than via a different mechanism.

Anyone who thinks lexit will be successful at this point is an idiot. Rexit is currently the only shitty game in town.

(Can I trademark rexit?)

He's already decided he regrets voting that way. I suspect he didn't think Brexit would win.

 

[gosub]

Leaving and paying for access seems the worst of both worlds, though.

I'm normally all in favour of compromise, but what in hell is the point of that? We don't get the nebulous "freedoms" that people are striving for, because we still have to follow all the EU's rules to do so. And we do it while giving up any say or influence that we had in such rules. You'll upset the half of the population who wanted to stay, because you've left. And you'll upset the half of the population who wanted to leave, because you've left and received nothing at all in exchange with all the trade rules still written in Brussels. Everyone will hate it. It gives up things we have in the EU, but doesn't actually allow us to do whatever we please.

No, if we're going to leave we may as well go whole hog. I'd rather we stayed, but half-in-half-out is a waste of everyone's time.

If I told you that would lead to 2/3 of supermarket shelves being empty, would you still advocate it?

 

[MightyTibberton]

It was all going to be so simple...

"Mr Johnson announced a £62m order for County Antrim firm Wrightbus.

However, ahead of June's EU referendum he has discussed why he thinks the UK would be better off outside the European Union.

He told the BBC a Brexit would leave arrangements on the Irish border "absolutely unchanged".

"There's been a free travel area between the United Kingdom and the Republic of Ireland for, I think, getting on for 100 years," he said.

"There's no reason at all why that should cease to be the case."

Northern Ireland farming relies heavily on EU subsidies, but Mr Johnson said NI farmers would be no worse off outside the EU and "in many ways better off".

"You would be able to target the subsidy and we'd be getting money back from the EU that currently goes to Brussels and goes on heaven knows what," he said.

"We lose about £8.5bn to £9bn per year and we never see it again.""

Brexit would not affect border: Johnson (February 2016)

 

[Raheem]

If I told you that would lead to 2/3 of supermarket shelves being empty, would you still advocate it?

Bah! We used to manage fine without any supermarkets at all.

 

[gosub]

Bah! We used to manage fine without any supermarkets at all.

Over 60% of our food is imported.

The problem vaguely illuded to in the Home Affairs report is non tariff barriers - its all got to be tested and tested at port (and there's no physical room at Dover). You can do deals and align specs to reduce the amount of testing but no agreement on paying our 'bill' and where is the motivation to play ball on that?... No deal Brexit is just that, a gnarly cliff edge.


Our relationship with Europe has been woven together over 40 years, our foreign secretary may think he can deal with it the same way his namesake dealt with the Gordian knot, but that's a dull move.. Need slow and meticulous unpicking

 

[NoXion]

Over 60% of our food is imported.

The problem vaguely illuded to in the Home Affairs report is non tariff barriers - its all got to be tested and tested at port (and there's no physical room at Dover). You can do deals and align specs to reduce the amount of testing but no agreement on paying our 'bill' and where is the motivation to play ball on that?... No deal Brexit is just that, a gnarly cliff edge.


Our relationship with Europe has been woven together over 40 years, our foreign secretary may think he can deal with it the same way his namesake dealt with the Gordian knot, but that's a dull move.. Need slow and meticulous unpicking

Tested for what? Imported food isn't suddenly going to become potentially toxic just because we left the EU.

 

[gosub]

Tested for what? Imported food isn't suddenly going to become potentially toxic just because we left the EU.

That it was what it says it is. WTO third country regs. In some ways it's good.. No chance of horse meat lasagna or botulism eggs any more... Cos the assumption it meets our spec can't be made.... Also applies to our exports.


Bad news for Irish dairy industry and even harder if we green light US chlorinated chicken and GM food

 

[gosub]

Tested for what? Imported food isn't suddenly going to become potentially toxic just because we left the EU.

If I had any food of dubious quality, I'd truck it to UK in the early days of Brexit to try and take advantage of the inevitable confusion... At the very least get the money back off the insurance as it rots pre customs

 

[mojo pixy]

IMO the issue of "food security" is the most important brexit issue, yet what's getting the attention is a leaving bill and freedom of movement and banking and air traffic. Essentially trivial stuff for most people. It's almost as if nobody wants to think about what happens when food imports suddenly cost more. We don't even know how much more yet, but there's no way things will be cheaper.

We'll all be eating cheese and cider in 2019, because that's just about all we produce enough of.

I worry for the kids. They didn't ask for this.

 

[gosub]

Meat and grain prices are actually lower on the global market... Which means headaches for farmers... It's more about a manageable transition


As for the kids... Their you'll be dead soon attitude is quite off putting

 

[Winot]

Cheese and cider sounds OK tbh

 

[redsquirrel]

I'll be fascinated to know his thoughts when he finds out the money won't be arriving at all rather than via a different mechanism.

Anyone who thinks lexit will be successful at this point is an idiot. Rexit is currently the only shitty game in town.

(Can I trademark rexit?)

You should be happy then

So, as the only libdem voter I feel the need to justify my vote. Luckily I can!!!

Tim Farron is my local MP. Last time he got 55% and the Cons got 33%. Labour got knowhere, below ukip.

A vote for anyone but libdem would help the conservatives get back in.

On a more positive spin Singapore's relative lack of corruption and political stability have allowed global corporations to invest there in factories and company offices.

This has had a knock on affect giving Malay people the opportunity to earn good money by crossing the border each day on their corporate sponsored commuter buses. Better to earn $20 per day (sometime much more) rather than $5 per day back home.

I'm not trolling! I'm honestly bemused by the anti capitalist arguments on U75 and elsewhere thoughout my life. What is wrong with a system in which effort gives reward and the state is used to ensure those at the bottom are not allowed to drown?

 

[Winot]

Medicines Agency stuff is serious shit

 

[Silas Loom]

I just want to go back to the days before Brexit when people posted articles on a readable blog site rather than sentence by sentence upside down on a social media platform utterly unsuited to the purpose.

 

[NoXion]

I just want to go back to the days before Brexit when people posted articles on a readable blog site rather than sentence by sentence upside down on a social media platform utterly unsuited to the purpose.

You're about ten years wide of the mark.

 

[redsquirrel]

I just want to go back to the days before Brexit when people posted articles on a readable blog site rather than sentence by sentence upside down on a social media platform utterly unsuited to the purpose.

For once I agree with you.

 

[Supine]

You should be happy then

Stalker. Scary person.

 

[redsquirrel]

Because I can remember that you're a liberal prick and use the search function. Yeah real scary!

 

[mojo pixy]

Cheese and cider sounds OK tbh

I agree, but as I posted upthread..

That's fine but what will the kids eat?

 

[SaskiaJayne]

Cheese and cider sounds OK tbh

Spuds, carrots, turnips, onions, sprouts, mackerel, lamb. Home grown, whats not to like?

 

[Raheem]

Cheese and cider sounds OK tbh

Unless you're in Scotland.