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Will we have a brexit?


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Just in time logistics predates the customs union. For the car industry the idea of a factory that carries very little stock with parts being delivered just in time meaning parts can be paid for as late possible was a Japanese idea from the 1970s. Customs clearance does not have to slow things down. That can all be done while the truck is moving from collection to delivery point provided the IT systems are there to facilitate it.

Pre customs union & pre internet when goods had to be customs cleared when they entered UK the clearance generally took only the morning or less provided all the pre entries had been made & vat paid so delay was not excessive. As well as clearance facilities at ports there were large inland clearance facilities which have all closed now so new very large wharehouses with truck parking space would have to be acquired all over the country to be up & running on leave day.

Provided the will & the resources are there it can all be done because it has been done before & once up & running it would allow freight to move with not much delay but it is a massive job with massive costs. It all seems rather pointless when what we have now works ok.

The ideolog politicians failed to understand the massive amount of practical work involved in leaving the customs union. Anybody with knowledge of European transport will be shaking their heads in despair but those who think their corgettes & peppers grow behind Tesco will wonder what the fuss is all about.
 
The Home Office select committee has published a very critical report today. According to Faisal Islam on Twitter, the lorry park that was needed won’t now be ready and so DfT are planning on parking lorries on the central reservation of the M20 so other traffic can get past.

Grayling’s words here:

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pdf report here: https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201719/cmselect/cmhaff/540/540.pdf
 
Head of Goldman Sachs wants a second refurendum.

Democracy until it goes the right way, quelle surprise.

I am looking forward to more whinging and moaning and bleeting from these cunts over the next year. Good to have them on the back foot, for once.
 
I may be repeating things here, so apologies if so.

I've seen quite a bit of talk from Remain people online (to disclose I voted remain) that the Labour Party should adopt a straight anti-Brexit position, which would be an "open goal" and see it massively ahead in the polls.

Any thoughts on the truth or otherwise of that view?
 
Head of Goldman Sachs wants a second refurendum.

Democracy until it goes the right way, quelle surprise.

I am looking forward to more whinging and moaning and bleeting from these cunts over the next year. Good to have them on the back foot, for once.
yeh. i wonder how happy people will be if there isn't a second referendum but a fudge which sees us either remain in or leave and pay to access the customs union and single market.
 
I may be repeating things here, so apologies if so.

I've seen quite a bit of talk from Remain people online (to disclose I voted remain) that the Labour Party should adopt a straight anti-Brexit position, which would be an "open goal" and see it massively ahead in the polls.

Any thoughts on the truth or otherwise of that view?

I think that might work.
 
I may be repeating things here, so apologies if so.

I've seen quite a bit of talk from Remain people online (to disclose I voted remain) that the Labour Party should adopt a straight anti-Brexit position, which would be an "open goal" and see it massively ahead in the polls.

Any thoughts on the truth or otherwise of that view?
Remind me again, what happened to the vote at the last election for the LibDems, the party that specifically marketed itself around Remain/pro-EU.
 
I may be repeating things here, so apologies if so.

I've seen quite a bit of talk from Remain people online (to disclose I voted remain) that the Labour Party should adopt a straight anti-Brexit position, which would be an "open goal" and see it massively ahead in the polls.

Any thoughts on the truth or otherwise of that view?
Gish i wonder why they'd say that.

Wouldn't it apply to all parties then? Given that people in this scenario only seem to be voting on brexit and nothing else.
 
They're saying that because they want to reverse Brexit. They obviously think that standing on that position would win a party a general election, which would effectively become another referendum - or promising another referendum maybe.
 
Good blog on Lexit, which is bound to annoy lots of people on here (e.g. doesn't mention Greece).

Everything you need to know about Lexit in five minutes
no it makes no moral case whatsoever, drowning syrians go unmentioned for instance. But it does make a particularly narrow and specious economic one. And no I'm not going to debate this, I'm just going to mock your sources 5 minutes blog on the subject.
 
I don't think that can be used as a marker to decide how popular a pro remain policy would be.
Why not? It's specifically what the LibDems were trying to target.

Now I agree you can't simply translate the effect on being strongly pro-EU on the LD vote over onto the Labour vote but it does indicate that the EU was not the big issue at the last election that centrists wanted it to be. If if was then why did the LD, SNP, PC and the Greens (all parties that opposed leaving) all have a swing against them?
 
Why not? It's specifically what the LibDems were trying to do. Now I agree you can't simply translate the effect on the LD vote over onto the Labour vote but it does indicate that the EU was not the big issue at the last election that centrists want it to be. If if was then why did the LD, SNP, PC and the Greens (all parties that opposed leaving) all have a swing against them?

I think you're right that it wasn't seen as a big issue. I think it was seen as settled - UKIP completely collapsed, didn't they, having achieved their purpose?

Whether or not it's a big issue at the next election will probably depend on when the next election is and what happens in negotiations or as a result of the negotiations. "Strong and stable..." = "weak and short term"

I wonder if we might not see some reallignment of MPs around it though - perhaps even some Tories joining the Lib Dems.
 
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no it makes no moral case whatsoever, drowning syrians go unmentioned for instance. But it does make a particularly narrow and specious economic one. And no I'm not going to debate this, I'm just going to mock your sources 5 minutes blog on the subject.
Ian Dunt is plainly a Blairite so everything he writes has to be seen in that context. I do like reading his website though.
 
I have a friend who voted Leave from a left-wing perspective.

His main arguments (that he's shared with me) were that big business, international finance, banks etc were in favour of remaining and leaving would shake things up. He also (I'm in Cardiff in south Wales) had seen what he regarded as cronyism and near corruption in the distribution of some EU funds in Wales and thought if those funds were arriving through a different mechanism then they might be distributed more fairly.

He is cerainly not anti-immigration or -immigrant at all and is completely and committedly anti-racist.

There you go. A completely unscientific, anecdotal take on Lexit!
 
I have a friend who voted Leave from a left-wing perspective.

His main arguments (that he's shared with me) were that big business, international finance, banks etc were in favour of remaining and leaving would shake things up. He also (I'm in Cardiff in south Wales) had seen what he regarded as cronyism and near corruption in the distribution of some EU funds in Wales and thought if those funds were arriving through a different mechanism then they might be distributed more fairly.

He is cerainly not anti-immigration or -immigrant at all and is completely and committedly anti-racist.

There you go. A completely unscientific, anecdotal take on Lexit!

Next you should ask your mate about what he thinks of the Democratic primaries...
 
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