Is Brexit actually going to happen?

[Wolveryeti]

It's not my dishonesty so much as your stupidity comrade.

Yeah - that'll probably be it. Your plan to solve the problems of Brexit by nationalising everything was too genius - totally bamboozled me.

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

literally no mention of the labour left rise and anti austerity opinion within and without it. Yes the labour left is what it is, let us list the flaws. I'm not here to hold them up, I'm pointing out that the monolithic 'we' you conjure doesn't exist. There is a successful party in the country opposed to austerity. This is a massive blind spot for every 'brexit is like trump' analyses I've read, just goes unmentioned. I mean, not even slagged off and dismissed as hopeless. Just not mentioned.

Yes, this and the fact that nearly half the US couldn’t stomach turning out for the vote whilst turnout for brexit(and Indy) was up.

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

its reactionary voyage of discovery

Are you sure you have the mettle for breaking up the union ?

And also, wales voted leave. Diolch!

 

[Poi E]

Are you sure you have the mettle for breaking up the union ?

It'll dissipate like a smelly fart.

 

[Wolveryeti]

They deserve it the idiots. Probably old and racist too.

 

[redsquirrel]

but id argue that the toxic legacy of brexit goes back to having a referendum on the first place which allowed people to vote for something that was impossible to deliver.

I'm not going to claim the EU referendum was some huge democratic victory but this statement has some very dangerous implications.

Why is leaving the EU (which was what was on the ballot paper) impossible? Who gets to decide what's impossible?

The impossibility/dangerousness of ideas is the argument has been used to justify attacks socialist and social democrat governments in the past, whether it's outright coups (e.g. Chile), security service meddling (e.g. UK) the imposition of economic controls (e.g. Ireland, Greece, etc) or something else.

You really can't see how things like councils setting illegal budgets, closed shops, secondary picketing, nationalisations etc (let alone workers control of the means of production) don't get declared "impossible" and thus off limits with your proposal?

Astonishing intellectual dishonesty on show here. The 'laws of capitalist development' *created* the jobs. The decision to leave the SM is destroying them - as the CEO's statement made clear. You also havent explained how nationalisation and democratic ownership is going to help with the problem of parts that have a collapsing export market, because nobody on the continent in their right mind will want to pay a tariff surcharge for parts stuck in a lorry park with unknown ETA...

You couldn't have a better example of why the Remainer/Leaver stuff is such nonsense. Anyone who thinks this prick is on the same side as them isn't my comrade.

 

[teqniq]

Can of worms here. Conceded everything rather than disclose who their funders are.

TaxPayers’ Alliance concedes it launched smears against Brexit whistleblower

 

[SpackleFrog]

Yeah - that'll probably be it. Your plan to solve the problems of Brexit by nationalising everything was too genius - totally bamboozled me.

See you've misunderstood again - my plan isn't about solving Brexit it's about solving the issue of who owns and controls production. Which is a lot more important than Brexit.

 

[SpackleFrog]

What is this no context offering?

 

[alex_]

See you've misunderstood again - my plan isn't about solving Brexit it's about solving the issue of who owns and controls production. Which is a lot more important than Brexit.

I think if you are going to “own and control production” you should probably think about where what you are producing is used.

Because if is on the otherwise of a tariff border - you are probably producing the wrong thing.

Alex

 

[DexterTCN]

What is this no context offering?

Is this better?

 

[SpackleFrog]

I think if you are going to “own and control production” you should probably think about where what you are producing is used.

Because if is on the otherwise of a tariff border - you are probably producing the wrong thing.

Alex

Ahhh right yeah cos what we produce must be determined by profit not by need, right? If market conditions aren't favourable then it's the workers that are wrong for being manufacturing workers!

 

[SpackleFrog]

Is this better?

That's certainly a lot more self explanatory than the previous offering but it doesn't help me understand the previous offering.

 

[alex_]

Ahhh right yeah cos what we produce must be determined by profit not by need, right? If market conditions aren't favourable then it's the workers that are wrong for being manufacturing workers!

It’s a factory which makes bearings for car manufacturers across Europe, the consumers are car manufacturers.

Alex

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

It'll dissipate like a smelly fart.

Ha! But thing is it won’t and we will get the same shit, freak outs, THE CHAOS OF DISRUPTION etc. I mind people warning even about the dangers of nationalism last time around- flags, one party state all manner of mad shit. If Yessers wholeheartedly embrace similar arguments as applied to brexit, it’s only going to make it more difficult for them to challenge project fear should Indy 2 happen.

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

What is this no context offering?

Bloody Turkey voting for Christmas!

 

[paolo]

‘Some of the marchers chanted, “away with the EU”

Polish leaders march with far-right to mark century of independence

 

[redsquirrel]

And? What point are you trying to make?

I'm not sure how the EU's willingness to turn a bling eye to crap like this or the stuff happening in Hungary is an argument in it's favour.

 

[Pickman's model]

Ha! But thing is it won’t and we will get the same shit, freak outs, THE CHAOS OF DISRUPTION etc. I mind people warning even about the dangers of nationalism last time around- flags, one party state all manner of mad shit. If Yessers wholeheartedly embrace similar arguments as applied to brexit, it’s only going to make it more difficult for them to challenge project fear should Indy 2 happen.

Never mind Indy 2, wait for Indy 500

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

Never mind Indy 2, wait for Indy 500

Fair enough there’s probably no point in trying to rationalise now, we are in “A STATE OF FLUX”
We’re all going to be proven wankers
Is that what you meant Pickers

 

[Pickman's model]

Fair enough there’s probably no point in trying to rationalise now, we are in “A STATE OF FLUX”
We’re all going to be proven wankers
Is that what you meant Pickers

I am not Pickers

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

I am not Pickers

How do you know? By all accounts Brexit has been so heinous that it has surely punched a hole in time, meet your cavalier and jovial alternate self.

(Sorry, the brexit thread has broken me)

 

[Pickman's model]

How do you know? By all accounts Brexit has been so heinous that it has surely punched a hole in time, meet your cavalier and jovial alternate self.

(Sorry, the brexit thread has broken me)

I know because I don't give a shit about Dulwich hamlet but pickers does

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

I know because I don't give a shit about Dulwich hamlet but pickers does

Haha

 

[not-bono-ever]

Fucking clowns, now we seem to be amidst a rush for the exits now that someone had shouted “fire”

Self serving gutless careerist wankers the lot of them. May can fuck off obvs - she is being lynched by the party she lives for.

 

[Ranbay]

137 days till we do a Brexit

650 MP's

That's 4.7 MP's to resing each day.

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

Fucking clowns, now we seem to be amidst a rush for the exits now that someone had shouted “fire”

Self serving gutless careerist wankers the lot of them. May can fuck off obvs - she is being lynched by the party she lives for.

It’s been a prolific 2 years for metaphors and similes and that eh

 

[Pickman's model]

137 days till we do a Brexit

650 MP's

That's 4.7 MP's to resing each day.

Yeh but the Sinn féin mps don't take their seats. Is resing a euphemism for guillotine?

 

[Pickman's model]

Fucking clowns, now we seem to be amidst a rush for the exits now that someone had shouted “fire”

Self serving gutless careerist wankers the lot of them. May can fuck off obvs - she is being lynched by the party she lives for.

Let's see if that's the case

 

[SpookyFrank]

The 'May has got a deal sorted and is just pushing it to the wire to make sure her party supports it' theory is looking increasingly far-fetched. I think she's genuinely just a fucking idiot, incapable of comprehending the basic facts of the situation. If she really has engineered the present clusterfuck deliberately she'd better hope the endgame is worth abandoning all her credibility and most of her allies for.