Is Brexit actually going to happen?

[Flavour]

That and threatening to chuck them out of the single market.

Is there any precedent for this? Has anyone been forcibly removed from the single market by the EU before?

 

[Jeremiah18.17]

I think the problem/ fear on the part of the EU is that once the Tory disaster capitalists have torched UK regulations following Brexit, then an open Irish border would become an open door into Europe for a multitude of sub-standard and hazardous shit from the US and further afield.....

 

[Jeremiah18.17]

Plus, whilst there is not a huge amount of migration into the rest of the EU from the UK or vice-versa over the Irish border at the moment, will that be the case once the whole world knows the border is an open means of entry to either the UK or the EU, depending on which is most attractive destination at the time?

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Is there any precedent for this? Has anyone been forcibly removed from the single market by the EU before?

No one has ever left before (Greenland doesn’t count). No member has ever opened a border to a ‘third country’ before.

But just as people sneer that the big bad WTO rules will be imposed on the UK, equally they would apply to the EU, of course. So unless the EU and UK come to an agreement then there must be a border. The UK has repeatedly stated it wants an open border for goods and services, it is the EU that Is not happy with that.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Plus, whilst there is not a huge amount of migration into the rest of the EU from the UK over the Irish border at the moment, will that be the case once the whole world knows the border is an open means of entry to either the UK or the EU, depending on which is most attractive destination at the time?

No.

You sneak in to the EU across the Med, decline to claim asylum in Italy or Spain, but instead you wish to head for the UK. You can choose to try and sneak across the Channel, by train or any one of the hundreds of boats crossing daily, or you can try to sneak across hundreds of miles if sea to Eire on one of the few boats making that crossing, then sneak past their border control (Republic is Ireland is not in Schengen), head north and try to sneak across the border in to the UK.

What route would you choose?

 

[not-bono-ever]

Given the history of cross border “trade” between the two, I cannot envisage an open border working very well for goods as well as people

 

[pocketscience]

I think the problem/ fear on the part of the EU is that once the Tory disaster capitalists have torched UK regulations following Brexit, then an open Irish border would become an open door into Europe for a multitude of sub-standard and hazardous shit from the US and further afield.....

Like the EU doesn't peddle sub-standard hazardous shit. Try telling that to the 11 million owners of those poisonous VW engines.

 

[Pickman's model]

Like the EU doesn't peddle sub-standard hazardous shit. Try telling that to the 11 million owners of those poisonous VW engines.

All internal combustion engines are poisonous

 

[paolo]

Unless May and Barnier write on a napkin, “the EU/UK have an open border between each other”

Then the Irish issue is solved.

To satisfy the WTO, the napkin would probably also have to state - “and are in the same trade bloc”. That would definitely solve it.

 

[Kaka Tim]

But what can the DUP do? The DUP face compromise or risk being blamed for bringing down a government. There's no functioning government in NI, just direct rule from Westminster. Combine that with a shrinking potential electorate for the DUP and it's not looking that rosy for them.

yes the DUP would bring down the government. Preventing a united ireland is the whole of their being - and that of their supporters. They will never agree to a sea border because is fundamentally undermines the union (and they are correct - it would). And cut your nose off to spite your face intransigence is what they do.

 

[brogdale]

But what can the DUP do? The DUP face compromise or risk being blamed for bringing down a government. There's no functioning government in NI, just direct rule from Westminster. Combine that with a shrinking potential electorate for the DUP and it's not looking that rosy for them.

They only propped up May to effect the hardest of hard borders.

 

[Ranbay]

less than 6 months to go! woot

 

[Pickman's model]

Less than six months to go till panic buying and civil unrest

w00t w00t

 

[Supine]

less than 6 months to go! woot

It's going to be quite a ride!

 

[Mr.Bishie]

Will there be power cuts like in the good auld days?

 

[Yossarian]

The twats have made Brexit day a Friday so there might not even be a day off to be had.

 

[2hats]

The twats have made Brexit day a Friday so there might not even be a day off to be had.

At least there’ll be no confusion over when the three day week kicks in.

 

[Poi E]

There'd better be free bunting in the Royal Mail.

 

[Ranbay]

My new business idea is doing booze and fag runs to ROI from fishgaurd.... can probably pick up some people on the way back also.

 

[Poi E]

Smuggling is a respectable occupation. It'll revive lots of small ports around Britain.

 

[2hats]

Smuggling is a respectable occupation. It'll revive lots of small ports around Britain.

How will it be smuggling if all the borders are open?

 

[sleaterkinney]

No one has ever left before (Greenland doesn’t count). No member has ever opened a border to a ‘third country’ before.

But just as people sneer that the big bad WTO rules will be imposed on the UK, equally they would apply to the EU, of course. So unless the EU and UK come to an agreement then there must be a border. The UK has repeatedly stated it wants an open border for goods and services, it is the EU that Is not happy with that.

Because that's cherry picking the single market, why would they agree to it?.

 

[Ranbay]

Yahoo is now part of Oath

WHat takes six months to do?

Smuggling is a respectable occupation. It'll revive lots of small ports around Britain.

The real money is in the booze and fags tho, once the 200 fags limit kicks in.

 

[brogdale]

Will there be power cuts like in the good auld days?

Interesting point.
The UK presently has four operational interconnectors (cables) with the rest of the EU: (one each with France and the Netherlands and two with the island of Ireland) to freely trade surplus generating capacity of up to 4 gigawatts or 7 per cent of peak UK domestic demand.

On average the UK is usually a net importer from the rest of the EU of up to the equivalent of all existing UK nuclear power capacity...so...if things were to go really badly...?

 

[Ranbay]

we burn all the old people?

and eat the rich?

 

[Poi E]

we burn all the old people?

and eat the rich?

So does that mean we BBQ rich old people?

 

[pocketscience]

All internal combustion engines are poisonous

but not sub standard

 

[Ranbay]

So does that mean we BBQ rich old people?

I need to stop playing the Euro Millions just in case.

 

[Poi E]

but not sub standard

Pah! I have a twenty year old Toyota and it's started burning oil. They're all shit.

 

[pocketscience]

Pah! I have a twenty year old Toyota and it's started burning oil. They're all shit.

To your standards or the EU's?
Jeremiah was referencing the latter as if it were the gold standard of quality.
Ironic it was the land of bleached chickens that busted the myth.