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Is Brexit actually going to happen?

Will we have a brexit?


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In fact let's ask the brexiteers.

Should we speed on to a no deal brexit* or ask for an extension? And if you want an extension what would you like to see established from it?

*which may lead to a capitulation

i see no point in an extention: firstly because i've not yet seen the EU discuss/negotiate in good faith, so don't see the point in continuing negotiations that aren't going anywhere, and secondly - regardless of what the EU says publicly - i'm pretty certain that the EU will want something in return for extending the negotiations.
 
Comparing a free trade bloc and the shyster British state is a bit pointless. The EU has some direction.
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It is now beyond doubt that the political class in Westminster and many of their media allies do not accept the EU referendum result. They refuse to acknowledge the wishes of the majority of those who took part in that historic plebiscite of 2016 by voting to leave the European Union. As far as I’m concerned, this is the worst case of Stockholm syndrome ever recorded.
It is equally clear to me that, unless challenged, these anti-democrats will succeed in frustrating the result. Whatever they may claim publicly, this is their ultimate objective. They think nothing of betraying the citizens of Britain.
For months now we have heard the same argument from this bunch: “Leave voters did not know what blah blah.

I'm glad to hear you calling for an end to Westminster rule.
 
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It is now beyond doubt that the political class in Westminster and many of their media allies do not accept the EU referendum result. They refuse to acknowledge the wishes of the majority of those who took part in that historic plebiscite of 2016 by voting to leave the European Union. As far as I’m concerned, this is the worst case of Stockholm syndrome ever recorded.
It is equally clear to me that, unless challenged, these anti-democrats will succeed in frustrating the result. Whatever they may claim publicly, this is their ultimate objective. They think nothing of betraying the citizens of Britain.
For months now we have heard the same argument from this bunch: “Leave voters did not know what blah blah.
Perhaps you should remind yourself what Stockholm syndrome in fact is
 
Seen a few articles in the last 12 hours saying HMG will be ready for no deal Brexit by early next week. FFS. You only gave Deloitte a contract this morning... Mrs May it's almost a text book case of how not to do Brexit (though glad you realise you are doing Brexit). Art 50 extension please

Ready in what sense? As in prepared for every possible eventuality including food shortages, blackouts, civil unrest etc etc; or prepared as in we've had a PR drone write half a side of A4 about it to send to the papers.
 
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It is now beyond doubt that the political class in Westminster and many of their media allies do not accept the EU referendum result. They refuse to acknowledge the wishes of the majority of those who took part in that historic plebiscite of 2016 by voting to leave the European Union. As far as I’m concerned, this is the worst case of Stockholm syndrome ever recorded.
It is equally clear to me that, unless challenged, these anti-democrats will succeed in frustrating the result. Whatever they may claim publicly, this is their ultimate objective. They think nothing of betraying the citizens of Britain.
For months now we have heard the same argument from this bunch: “Leave voters did not know what blah blah.

Anti-democrats. Remind me who the fuck ever voted for Aaron Banks?
 
I'm not so sure anymore that it's going to happen. Maybe the London crowd will get their way after all. All this talk of preparing for no-deal... I'm not so certain they'll go through with it. May is fucked either way.
 
the talk on no deal strategies and plans are wishful thinking and i would suggest bollocks in practical terms - but they are no meant to be a practical solution, but an easily telegraphed message to the EU that we are taking this seriously.

meh
 
the talk on no deal strategies and plans are wishful thinking and i would suggest bollocks in practical terms - but they are no meant to be a practical solution, but an easily telegraphed message to the EU that we are taking this seriously.

meh

Seems like the message to the EU is more along the lines of 'no deal fucks us both'.
 
Seems like the message to the EU is more along the lines of 'no deal fucks us both'.
No...the EU still has all of its established deals with the rest of the world and internally. The UK has nothing established. If the UK wants a deal it has to offer one that is acceptable (or negotiable) to both sides...that's how deals work.

Brexit was meant to be about doing better on your own...not about trying to hurt other economies and self harm.
 
the talk on no deal strategies and plans are wishful thinking and i would suggest bollocks in practical terms - but they are no meant to be a practical solution, but an easily telegraphed message to the EU that we are taking this seriously.
Seems like they're not fooling you. They're not fooling me either. So there's obviously zero chance they're fooling the EU, which they must know very well. Not so much an easily telegraphed message as an easily Telegraphed message, I think.
 
The EU doesn't give a shit about democracy. This should be common knowledge after the people of Ireland were made to vote on the Lisbon treaty until they got it "right".
Successive British governments don't give a shit about democracy, as should be clear from the attempt to take the article 50 thing at governmental rather than parliamentary level

So it's unclear why a body largely composed of governments who don't give a shit about democracy, the eu, should differ from the UK, Italy, France, Germany etc
 
The EU doesn't give a shit about democracy. This should be common knowledge after the people of Ireland were made to vote on the Lisbon treaty until they got it "right".
And how do you think the UK's version of democracy has looked to the Irish experience?

If you were to ask them who has been the biggest bunch of cunts...would they say the EU or the UK?
 
And how do you think the UK's version of democracy has looked to the Irish experience?

If you were to ask them who has been the biggest bunch of cunts...would they say the EU or the UK?

I never said that the UK is a paragon of democracy, now did I?

You can point at the UK all you like, that doesn't change the fact that for all their rhetoric, the EU has demonstrated a willingness to run roughshod over the will of its member-states' populations.
 
The EU doesn't give a shit about democracy. This should be common knowledge after the people of Ireland were made to vote on the Lisbon treaty until they got it "right".

I’m sure you’re just venting, as I have done here too... but the 2nd vote was instigated by Ireland, with locally proposed amendments. Not unanimously supported, sure, but the EU couldn’t force anything even if they wanted to. They just don’t have the jurisdiction.
 
I’m sure you’re just venting, as I have done here too... but the 2nd vote was instigated by Ireland, with locally proposed amendments. Not unanimously supported, sure, but the EU couldn’t force anything even if they wanted to. They just don’t have the jurisdiction.
And plucky little denmark?
 
And how do you think the UK's version of democracy has looked to the Irish experience?

If you were to ask them who has been the biggest bunch of cunts...would they say the EU or the UK?
I think I can say without fear of contradiction that more Irish people would point to the UK as the bigger bunch of cunts being as the eu very recent, the eu never invaded Ireland, the eu never bribed their way to an act of union removing the Irish parliament to a foreign capital, the eu never grabbed all the land and presided over evictions, the eu never inflicted a famine on Ireland etc etc etc
 
I think I can say without fear of contradiction that more Irish people would point to the UK as the bigger bunch of cunts being as the eu very recent, the eu never invaded Ireland, the eu never bribed their way to an act of union removing the Irish parliament to a foreign capital, the eu never grabbed all the land and presided over evictions, the eu never inflicted a famine on Ireland etc etc etc

Give it 800 years and we'll do a fair comparison...
 
I’m sure you’re just venting, as I have done here too... but the 2nd vote was instigated by Ireland, with locally proposed amendments. Not unanimously supported, sure, but the EU couldn’t force anything even if they wanted to. They just don’t have the jurisdiction.

The EU doesn't need to force anything. They can get the local ruling class to do it for them, as you just pointed out.
 
The EU doesn't need to force anything. They can get the local ruling class to do it for them, as you just pointed out.
Yes, a major attraction of the EU to both nation states and capital is that it is a means of removing/reducing the challenges to them that may occur through representative democratic processes, out-sourcing decisions and control to technocrats.

Of course the EU is not the only means of doing this, national governments are perfectly capable of doing it on their own (see the creation of independent banks), nor do it mean that won't be occasional conflicts between nation states, capital and the EU. But the EU, like the IMF, WTO etc, certainly facilitates such out-sourcing of political decisions, the increasing imposition of technocracy. That is why the CBI, the UK government, the Bank of England were in favour of remaining.
 
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