Is Brexit actually going to happen?

[HoratioCuthbert]

Yep, but a very different pattern of distribution, with the vast majority of those who see multiculturalism as an ill voting leave. That is what I meant by 'clear-cut'. The results are consistent with the idea that there exists a racist minority in Britain that voted overwhelmingly leave. Many on this thread have invoked the majority vote as justification for brexit. Well, take that hard core of racists who largely voted leave for racist reasons out of the count and that majority disappears. The idea that this is some grand exercise in democracy is a pretty sick joke.

Take out all those people that voted to remain part of an institution that built a 700 km wall to keep Europe white and we lose like the entire remain vote
Or, eh, maybe this is a silly argument.

 

[kabbes]

Yep, but a very different pattern of distribution, with the vast majority of those who see multiculturalism as an ill voting leave. That is what I meant by 'clear-cut'. The results are consistent with the idea that there exists a racist minority in Britain that voted overwhelmingly leave. Many on this thread have invoked the majority vote as justification for brexit. Well, take that hard core of racists who largely voted leave for racist reasons out of the count and that majority disappears. The idea that this is some grand exercise in democracy is a pretty sick joke.

You better remove the 11% of remain voters who also thought multiculturalism is a force for ill.

Also all the remain voters that broadly view white Europeans as being of the same culture as them (or at least acceptably close to employ as builders and plumbers) but are highly dubious of those with skin of a darker hue.

 

[redsquirrel]

I don't give much of a fuck about election results, I've already said that. I'm not a very good democrat in that sense. The bigot vote can go fuck itself.

The results are consistent with the idea that there exists a racist minority in Britain that voted overwhelmingly leave. Many on this thread have invoked the majority vote as justification for brexit. Well, take that hard core of racists who largely voted leave for racist reasons out of the count and that majority disappears. The idea that this is some grand exercise in democracy is a pretty sick joke.

How is this bigot/racist vote defined? And how large is it?
Anyone who think's multiculturalism is a force for ill? Anyone who has voted UKIP? Anyone who has voted BNP? Anyone who is concerned about immigration? Are those that didn't vote to keep UKIP/BNP out bigots?

And what does "go fuck itself" mean? Are the bigots consigned to the naughty step? They and their votes not counted until they behave as you want them to?

 

[kebabking]

So, does the vote ignoring ticklist littlebabyjesus puts forward mean that, come the 2023 GE, the returning officers should ignore the votes of anti-Semitic conspiraloons who vote happen to vote Labour?

Should the referendum vote be recounted to exclude remain votes that were cast on the basis of 'better a Pole than a Pakistani'?

 

[Pickman's model]

Take out all those people that voted to remain part of an institution that built a 700 km wall to keep Europe white and we lose like the entire remain vote
Or, eh, maybe this is a silly argument.

Lbj like Hans Christian Anderson's emperor

 

[Pickman's model]

Yep, but a very different pattern of distribution, with the vast majority of those who see multiculturalism as an ill voting leave. That is what I meant by 'clear-cut'. The results are consistent with the idea that there exists a racist minority in Britain that voted overwhelmingly leave. Many on this thread have invoked the majority vote as justification for brexit. Well, take that hard core of racists who largely voted leave for racist reasons out of the count and that majority disappears. The idea that this is some grand exercise in democracy is a pretty sick joke.

What about removing the racists from the Remain vote? Did that notion ever occur to you?

 

[DotCommunist]

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[andysays]

Yep, but a very different pattern of distribution, with the vast majority of those who see multiculturalism as an ill voting leave. That is what I meant by 'clear-cut'. The results are consistent with the idea that there exists a racist minority in Britain that voted overwhelmingly leave. Many on this thread have invoked the majority vote as justification for brexit. Well, take that hard core of racists who largely voted leave for racist reasons out of the count and that majority disappears. The idea that this is some grand exercise in democracy is a pretty sick joke.

Liberal democracy is too precious and too fragile to be tarnished by those who might vote for racist reasons. Better off making sure they aren't able to vote, TBH.

 

[billbond]

I think it's generally accepted that there was a racist element to the brexit vote.

Some here may not like it...or wrap themselves in contortions to disprove it.

I'm not sure I understand why.

Plenty of racists voted on the remain side as well.
I know some on here will not like this.
Buts its true never the less.
I understand why

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Has anyone done the figures on the homophobic vote on the remain and leave sides?

 

[DexterTCN]

Plenty of racists voted on the remain side as well.
I know some on here will not like this.
Buts its true never the less.
I understand why

Your turn.

 

[DexterTCN]

Has anyone done the figures on the homophobic vote on the remain and leave sides?

Yes.

Attacks on LGBT people surge almost 80% in UK over last four years

Homophobic attacks in UK rose 147% in three months after Brexit vote

https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2017/10/...ophobic-hate-crime-reports-since-brexit-vote/

 

[billbond]

Has anyone done the figures on the homophobic vote on the remain and leave sides?

Yeah i was wondering about that and what about sexist voters ? Bald voters, Tall to small in height voters,
Disabled Voters, etc etc
Im sure Deters has all these ha
ok look his now put up a load of FAKE "news"
Nothing to see here, move along

 

[DexterTCN]

You should be ashamed of yourselves.

 

[billbond]

You should be ashamed of yourselves.

so should you
Fake

 

[paolo]

I remember on urban a few years back.

Someone asked about the best route to a port. She had to be there for a Friday ferry.

By Saturday, people here were still arguing about the route.

Oh Brexit, you utter utter...

 

[andysays]

Interesting story here, not sure if it's entirely as presented

More than 100 seats that backed Brexit now want to remain in EU

More than 100 Westminster constituencies that voted to leave the EU have now switched their support to Remain, according to a stark new analysis seen by the Observer.

In findings that could have a significant impact on the parliamentary battle of Brexit later this year, the study concludes that most seats in Britain now contain a majority of voters who want to stay in the EU.

The analysis, one of the most comprehensive assessments of Brexit sentiment since the referendum, suggests the shift has been driven by doubts among Labour voters who backed Leave.

 

[Pickman's model]

Interesting story here, not sure if it's entirely as presented

More than 100 seats that backed Brexit now want to remain in EU

How unusual for the guardian to give prominence to this sort of thing

 

[Poi E]

Let's have another referendum to watch Labour and the Tories finally both implode as they don't know which way to go.

 

[teuchter]

Interesting story here, not sure if it's entirely as presented

More than 100 seats that backed Brexit now want to remain in EU

Why do they break it down by westminster seats when the referendum was a straight number of votes each way?

 

[Pickman's model]

Why do they break it down by westminster seats when the referendum was a straight number of votes each way?

Have a think and the answer will occur to you

 

[Winot]

Why do they break it down by westminster seats when the referendum was a straight number of votes each way?

Speculation as to pressure on sitting MPs I guess.

 

[kabbes]

Why do they break it down by westminster seats when the referendum was a straight number of votes each way?

Because they imagine it’s as important to everyone else as it is to them and think this means constuency MPs will have pressure on them to vote to remain in the EU in some way, out of worry for their seat.

It won’t, of course. Even a lot of remainers still want the referendum to be respected and Brexit to be got on with.

 

[DexterTCN]

...Even a lot of remainers still want the referendum to be respected and Brexit to be got on with.

Any proof of this?

 

[billbond]

Any proof of this?

It wont be in the Guardian for sure
Plenty of other news outlets have reported this

 

[DexterTCN]

Didn't think so.

 

[kebabking]

Any proof of this?

I'm one. Do you think it's likely that I'm the only one?

 

[billbond]

I'm one. Do you think it's likely that I'm the only one?

I know a few as well
workmates and people i know thats 21 at least
(Awaits "Pink news" and Guardian articles/polls)
I still blame them damned Russians

 

[SpookyFrank]

It won’t, of course. Even a lot of remainers still want the referendum to be respected and Brexit to be got on with.

I voted remain, would vote leave if there was another referendum and do not in any way shape or form respect the referendum result because the whole thing was conducted in bad faith by hapless idiots.

 

[gosub]

I voted remain, would vote leave if there was another referendum and do not in any way shape or form respect the referendum result because the whole thing was conducted in bad faith by hapless idiots.

Leave crew that knew what it was talking about got mugged off completely by Johnny Comelately's. But the result was the result. Forwards not backwards.


Politics is supposed to be the art of the possible, and a whole lot of politicos have and are acting in bad faith. Public HAVE decided. Now, the politicians should be managing the expectations on what is deliverable...