Is Brexit actually going to happen?

[NoXion]

vince cable thinks it's a good idea (vote in the house earlier this week did not seem to be reported by much of the press - a search finds this)

suppose there's a possibility of some remainer tories / blairites (if you can tell the difference) who might think it's preferable to either a rees-mogg or corbyn led government...

If the perpetual stream of mediocrity that is Vince "Laying" Cable approves of the idea, then it's best ignored for all our sakes.

 

[Pickman's model]

I'm glad that I've just read a post from Pickman's model as linked to by gentlegreen above.
I'd never seen that post, and it seemed like a pretty sound analysis

I know even more fuck-all about "Thunderf**t" though -- please don't bother to explain

Thunderf**t will win the Derby next year and only missed this year's race through confusion over dates

 

[NoXion]

Thunderf**t will win the Derby next year and only missed this year's race through confusion over dates

Because dating is a feminist conspiracy.

 

[Pickman's model]

Because dating is a feminist conspiracy.

Yeh that's what the trainer said at the time but there's a new trainer now with a wall chart and everything

 

[philosophical]

The marching/bonfire season is upon us in Northern Ireland.
For whatever right or wrong reason it has associated casual violence and destruction which possibly the GFA has helped to 'contain'. The present unrest has upped a few notches this year.
Unless I have missed something those who voted brexit which apparently means taking back control of the borders, have also voted for a situation that risks a return to a time when 2% of the NI population were killed or injured by sectarian violence.

 

[JimW]

The marching/bonfire season is upon us in Northern Ireland.
For whatever right or wrong reason it has associated casual violence and destruction which possibly the GFA has helped to 'contain'. The present unrest has upped a few notches this year.
Unless I have missed something those who voted brexit which apparently means taking back control of the borders, have also voted for a situation that risks a return to a time when 2% of the NI population were killed or injured by sectarian violence.

Actually I voted for the slaughter of the first born and I can't believe we're still waiting.

 

[NoXion]

The marching/bonfire season is upon us in Northern Ireland.
For whatever right or wrong reason it has associated casual violence and destruction which possibly the GFA has helped to 'contain'. The present unrest has upped a few notches this year.
Unless I have missed something those who voted brexit which apparently means taking back control of the borders, have also voted for a situation that risks a return to a time when 2% of the NI population were killed or injured by sectarian violence.

The Orange idiots don't need Brexit as an excuse for being dickheads.

 

[philosophical]

No, but brexit means a hard border which ups the ante considerably.

 

[William of Walworth]

I'm glad that I've just read a post from @Pickman's model as linked to by @gentlegreen above
[ETA : I mean as linked to by @ska invita ].
I'd never seen that (Pickmans) post, and it seemed like a pretty sound analysis

I know even more fuck-all about "Thunderf**t" though -- please don't bother to explain

Jesus Christ William I hope you were just being dozy/half-asleep when you wrote this post (which might explain why you got the identity of the linker wrong it was ska invita not GG). You've complained for years about the right wing press but now you don't think it's an issue that GG is willing to use a misogynistic MRA alt-right affiliated scumbag like thunderf00t.

OK, I had missed everything about that, apologies.
It was also post-football when I posted last night, as if it's any excuse
My substantive point still stands though, I thought PM's original post (also new to me) was good.

 

[William of Walworth]

And having now looked properly at some of the recent exchanges on this thread [previous page], I thoroughly agree with equationgirl 's post (#8840) ...

 

[andysays]

The marching/bonfire season is upon us in Northern Ireland.
For whatever right or wrong reason it has associated casual violence and destruction which possibly the GFA has helped to 'contain'. The present unrest has upped a few notches this year.
Unless I have missed something those who voted brexit which apparently means taking back control of the borders, have also voted for a situation that risks a return to a time when 2% of the NI population were killed or injured by sectarian violence.

This is pretty desperate stuff. Is there anything else you'd like to blame on Leave voters while you're at it?

'England lost the semi-finals against Croatia because the young team were disheartened by the prospect of not being able to play anywhere other than the UK after Britain leaves the EU and no-one is ever allowed to enter or leave the country again'

 

[2hats]

Hard Brexit: the eye-catching contingency plans to stop NI power blackouts

Thousands of electricity generators would have to be requisitioned at short notice and put on barges in the Irish Sea to help keep the lights on in Northern Ireland in the event of the hardest no-deal Brexit, according to one paper drawn up by Whitehall officials.

The situation could come about because Northern Ireland has shared a single energy market with the Irish republic for over a decade, in one of the consequences of the Good Friday Agreement of 1998. Northern Ireland relies on imports from south of the border because it does not have enough generating capacity itself.

 

[philosophical]

This is pretty desperate stuff. Is there anything else you'd like to blame on Leave voters while you're at it?

'England lost the semi-finals against Croatia because the young team were disheartened by the prospect of not being able to play anywhere other than the UK after Britain leaves the EU and no-one is ever allowed to enter or leave the country again'

I don't think England lost the football because of brexit.

However you say my describing the looming threat of the hard border as 'desperate stuff', when I described it as a 'risk'.

There are other things to blame on leave voters in my view, but news from NI last night prompted my post today.

Your urge to diss my post is a good smokescreen for you if you voted leave.

 

[Kaka Tim]

dominac raab channels the purest sir humphrey over weather the UK will be subject to EU regulations -

“…in terms of as those rules are formulated, or any changes to those rules – we’ve signed up to them so far through the normal democratic process – we’ll have deep and enhanced dialogue and consultation, so we’ll have a chance to influence it. And ultimately parliament has that lock. So it’s not right to say we’ll be a rule-taker in the sense that that’s normally used.”

 

[ska invita]

Either civil service ingenious scare mongering and crash out avoiding propaganda...or....it's could be a fun new decade

Hard Brexit: the eye-catching contingency plans to stop NI power blackouts

 

[Ranbay]

What time we getting this white paper then?

Bored as fuck in work today.

 

[Toast Rider]

Thunderf**t will win the Derby next year and only missed this year's race through confusion over dates

No he'll make a video about horse racing and then somehow shoehorn in how feminism - which is to say Anita Sarkeesian - poisons everything. As he has done for the last five years.

 

[DotCommunist]

Actually I voted for the slaughter of the first born and I can't believe we're still waiting.

I voted for the restoration of the house of orange, but now I'll settle for slightly shop soiled Terry's chocolate orange

 

[Ranbay]

I'm playing squash at 5 ffs

 

[agricola]

Amazingly, things are going to kick off even more:

Businesses should be able to move “their talented people” from the UK to the European Union – and vice versa – after Brexit, according to the government’s much anticipated strategy white paper.

The document, published on Thursday, also says the government is prepared to allow EU citizens to travel freely without a visa in the UK for tourism and temporary work and allow EU students to study in the UK.

Although the white paper is emphatic that there will be an end to the free movement of people at the end of the transition period in December 2020, the document says it will be necessary to recognise the “depth of the relationship and close ties between the peoples of the UK and the EU”.

This is the right decision, but its free movement and it makes the decision to leave the EU utterly inexplicable.

 

[agricola]

the Commons has been suspended as - according to Laura Kuenssberg - MPs werent given the white paper ahead of the debate on it

 

[gosub]

Amazingly, things are going to kick off even more:



This is the right decision, but its free movement and it makes the decision to leave the EU utterly inexplicable.

If the stuff in the tabloids about the Chequers meeting being unable to amend anything coz it was pre agreed with Merkel then things really will kick off. I know this is supposed to be the last time our government can carry on it's EUropean affairs like this but that's just bullshit even previous treaty arrangements at least the cabinet got a look in

 

[gosub]

FFS

the Commons has been suspended as - according to Laura Kuenssberg - MPs werent given the white paper ahead of the debate on it

 

[Pickman's model]

the Commons has been suspended as - according to Laura Kuenssberg - MPs werent given the white paper ahead of the debate on it

fucking delboy would have made a better prime minister than theresa may. and he's a fictional character.

 

[danny la rouge]

Unless I have missed something those who voted brexit which apparently means taking back control of the borders, have also voted for a situation that risks a return to a time when 2% of the NI population were killed or injured by sectarian violence

I must have missed that option on the ballot paper. Damn.

 

[agricola]

If the stuff in the tabloids about the Chequers meeting being unable to amend anything coz it was pre agreed with Merkel then things really will kick off. I know this is supposed to be the last time our government can carry on it's EUropean affairs like this but that's just bullshit even previous treaty arrangements at least the cabinet got a look in

The only thing I can think of as to why they've done it is to try and get it passed by attracting the likes of Gapes, Woodcock, Umunna etc to cancel out the ERG (who presumably will go after her now). Even for them I'd have assumed they weren't that stupid, but then again they were talking about National Governments on Monday so nothing should be ruled out.

 

[gosub]

The only thing I can think of as to why they've done it is to try and get it passed by attracting the likes of Gapes, Woodcock, Umunna etc to cancel out the ERG (who presumably will go after her now). Even for them I'd have assumed they weren't that stupid, but then again they were talking about National Governments on Monday so nothing should be ruled out.

It would be easier to unify the nation around the idea that our political "class' aren't fit for purpose

 

[kabbes]

I must have missed that option on the ballot paper. Damn.

British people are not allowed to make decisions about their future in case Irish people decide to kill each other in petulance.

 

[DexterTCN]

...This is the right decision, but its free movement and it makes the decision to leave the EU utterly inexplicable.

New tax regulations come into effect over the next year or so.

 

[Pickman's model]

It would be easier to unify the nation around the idea that our political "class' aren't fit for purpose

tbh if we knew then what we know now about who'd actually be dealing with brexit there'd have been a resounding victory for remain