Is Brexit actually going to happen?

[Kaka Tim]

if labour plus tory brexit rebels torpedo may's deal and we are heading for a crash out - i imagine she will have to revoke or suspend article 50 - which would probably mean her resigning, a general election and/or 2nd ref. no way will a "no deal" crash out be allowed to happen.

 

[kebabking]

if labour plus tory brexit rebels torpedo may's deal and we are heading for a crash out - i imagine she will have to revoke or suspend article 50 - which would probably mean her resigning, a general election and/or 2nd ref. no way will a "no deal" crash out be allowed to happen.

I see it the other way - I think May would prefer a crash out than a reversal, she can then, at the very least, say that she has taken the UK out of the EU in accordance with the referendum and despite the interference of Parliament.

She will get political credit for that, regardless of whatever else happens on the day after - Corbyn et al who are very obviously trying to be both leave and remain, I don't think will get any credit from anyone, they didn't stop it, and they didn't push for it.

 

[Borp]

Just looking at the brexit timeline again. It's not really a complete disaster if no deal gets agreed now. There is still the transition period. I'd kind of forgotten about that. Could it not easily be a no deal now, or between now and march anyway, and the UK and EU pick up discussions again during the transition period. If there's no legal reason why that couldn't happen, I can't see why it wouldn't.

Ok just looked up the conditions of the transition period. Basically if we don't agree on a deal now, there is no transition period.
I'm a bit behind on all this stuff again.

 

[Kaka Tim]

I see it the other way - I think May would prefer a crash out than a reversal, she can then, at the very least, say that she has taken the UK out of the EU in accordance with the referendum and despite the interference of Parliament.

She will get political credit for that, regardless of whatever else happens on the day after - Corbyn et al who are very obviously trying to be both leave and remain, I don't think will get any credit from anyone, they didn't stop it, and they didn't push for it.

the effect of "no deal" are so damaging i just dont think it will be allowed to happen.The Eu dont want it either. But who knows?

 

[gentlegreen]

I don't know if the terms of the Chequers cunning plan has been posted ...



David Davis Has Resigned As Brexit Secretary In Major Blow For Theresa May

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

I don't know if the terms of the Chequers cunning plan has been posted ...

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David Davis Has Resigned As Brexit Secretary In Major Blow For Theresa May

That's not 'aving yer cake and eating it at all, more avoir notre gâteau et le manger...

 

[Poi E]

"A Parliamentary locks on all new rules and regulations". One for the nut job free marketeers there. If anything, there's going to be a shit load more regulation required.

I think only 1 will happen. Being in the EU never stopped number 12.

 

[Ranbay]

 

[hot air baboon]

the DUP have gone very quiet

 

[gentlegreen]

I know Thunderf00t can be an arse sometimes when he strays into manosphere areas, but I find him good at explaining things.

The EU administration seems to compare very favourably with the UK civil service.
It will be interesting to see how many more staff will be needed in the UK to duplicate all the work that is currently done in Brussels.



Starts at 9:13

 

[kebabking]

the effect of "no deal" are so damaging i just dont think it will be allowed to happen.The Eu dont want it either. But who knows?

Damaging in the immediate term certainly, but - to be distressingly frank - this is not some shit arse makey-uppy country who's only resource is sand - this is a (in relative terms) stable democracy with a well established legal and political system, an economy that even the most rabid remainers worst nightmare is not going to dip out of the 10 largest economics of the world, the dead will not pave the streets, nor with the sky crumble.

The EU doesn't want a no-deal BREXIT because it will suddenly find itself some £40billion poorer - it is not some benevolent organisation only looking out for the best results for everyone, it's as self interested as the UK government is.

(I voted remain by the way).

 

[DotCommunist]

Literally seeing people on the twitterbox proposing national gov of unity. historicslly a shit idea, cant tell if serious or trolls...

 

[Puddy_Tat]

Literally seeing people on the twitterbox proposing national gov of unity. historicslly a shit idea, cant tell if serious or trolls...

vince cable thinks it's a good idea (vote in the house earlier this week did not seem to be reported by much of the press - a search finds this)

suppose there's a possibility of some remainer tories / blairites (if you can tell the difference) who might think it's preferable to either a rees-mogg or corbyn led government...

 

[ska invita]

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Literally seeing people on the twitterbox proposing national gov of unity. historicslly a shit idea, cant tell if serious or trolls...

Wasnt this Pickman Models idea the other day? Lots of people on urban supported that too.

 

[redsquirrel]

I know Thunderf00t can be an arse sometimes when he strays into manosphere areas, but I find him good at explaining things.

Lovely, lets just completely ignore the alt-right politics.

Wasnt this Pickman Models idea the other day? Lots of people on urban supported that too.

Where?

 

[ska invita]

Lovely, lets just completely ignore the alt-right politics.
Where?

Is Brexit actually going to happen?

 

[gentlegreen]

Lovely, lets just completely ignore the alt-right politics.

Alt-right by your standards - but then I guess I'm probably alt-right on your scale.

The political compass had me in the far left / far "liberal" corner - roughly the Dalai Lama.

 

[redsquirrel]

Is Brexit actually going to happen?

Ta. Those likes may be as much/more for the analysis than a belief that a government of national unity would be a positive thing.

 

[redsquirrel]

Alt-right by your standards - but then I guess I'm probably alt-right on your scale.

Nope alt-right by the standards of anyone who's got even a modicum of sense. 1. 2.

 

[gentlegreen]

I only know anything about this alt-right / manosphere crap thanks to noticing a few "off" comments here and there ... "gamergate" per se was somewhat outside my exerience.
Kevin Logan has educated me of late.

I've never watched any of thunderfoot's "feminism" videos because I know I will be at the least dismayed, but he comes across as relatively "liberal".
I like his science and engineering videos.

I find such things rather "icky" - just as I've never seen more than tiny bits of video of Trump ... (never seen Star Wars, never will).

Come election time I generally choose the least icky bunch of politicians and I see Europe as spreading the risk a bit.
I'm nearly 60 and retired, so I lack revolutionary fervour.

 

[DotCommunist]

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Wasnt this Pickman Models idea the other day? Lots of people on urban supported that too.

didn't read that, the twitter stuff was talking about the labour right and some brexit unity stuff..this is from a month ago but this sort of idea

 

[sealion]

No wonder Labour were all smiles at not winning the last election

Really ? They put a lot of effort into losing. Corbyn would walk into numbet 10 tomorrow given the chance.

 

[ska invita]

Really ? They put a lot of effort into losing. Corbyn would walk into numbet 10 tomorrow given the chance.

tomorrow yes - but he was grinning ear to ear on election night

 

[sealion]

tomorrow yes - but he was grinning ear to ear on election night

I very much doubt it.

 

[teuchter]

didn't read that, the twitter stuff was talking about the labour right and some brexit unity stuff..this is from a month ago but this sort of idea

So it's just been revealed that Pickman's model is in fact A.C. Grayling.

 

[equationgirl]

I only know anything about this alt-right / manosphere crap thanks to noticing a few "off" comments here and there ... "gamergate" per se was somewhat outside my exerience.
Kevin Logan has educated me of late.

I've never watched any of thunderfoot's "feminism" videos because I know I will be at the least dismayed, but he comes across as relatively "liberal".
I like his science and engineering videos.

I find such things rather "icky" - just as I've never seen more than tiny bits of video of Trump ... (never seen Star Wars, never will).

Come election time I generally choose the least icky bunch of politicians and I see Europe as spreading the risk a bit.
I'm nearly 60 and retired, so I lack revolutionary fervour.

Please don't post any more thunderf00t videos, regardless of the topic. He believes rape threats made online aren't an issue and that 'feminism poisons everything'. Oh, and milo yannapoulis is a big hero of his.

There are a lot of engineering and science videos out there made by people with proper ethics and who aren't anti-feminist. Your arguments would be better listened to if you stopped linking to thunderf00t, quite frankly.

 

[Raheem]

So it's just been revealed that Pickman's model is in fact A.C. Grayling.

He's cleverer than AC Grayling. And stupider. Anyway, he's not AC Grayling.

 

[gentlegreen]

Oh, and milo yannapoulis is a big hero of his.

Spoiler: TF's anti-milo video

 

[William of Walworth]

I'm glad that I've just read a post from Pickman's model as linked to by gentlegreen above.
[ETA : I mean as linked to by ska invita ].


I'd never seen that (Pickmans) post, and it seemed like a pretty sound analysis

I know even more fuck-all about "Thunderf**t" though -- please don't bother to explain

 

[redsquirrel]

I know even more fuck-all about "Thunderf**t" though -- please don't bother to explain

Jesus Christ William I hope you were just being dozy/half-asleep when you wrote this post (which might explain why you got the identity of the linker wrong it was ska invita not GG). You've complained for years about the right wing press but now you don't think it's an issue that GG is willing to use a misogynistic MRA alt-right affiliated scumbag like thunderf00t.