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Is Brexit actually going to happen?
- Thread starter Kaka Tim
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Ah, telepathy
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
or, people who voted leave thought about where they wanted to be in 20 or 30 years and ignored the probability/nature of a rough patch between now and then, while people who voted remain focused on the probability/nature of that rough patch while being completely and willfully blind as to what the EU will probably look like in 20 or 30 years.
see, this stuff is easy...
teuchter
je suis teuchter
In their 80s and 90s?
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
So only the middle aged voted to leave, or have leave tendancies?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
...and that 80s+90s = around 4% of population at best.
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
Wasn't there some research that showed that older, older people (80 plus) were more likely to vote remain? Or less likely than the 60 - 80s anyway.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Of course it would be perfectly reasonable for people of that age to think about where they would like to be in 30 years. But teuchter was expressing incredulity at whatever age group he was thinking of thinking 30 years ahead, which leads me to think his 80s and 90s pretty clearly meant people of that age during the referendum. That, of course, may not stop him trying to grasp the potential get out you've offered.
gentlegreen
I hummus, therefore I am ...
From a vile Murdoch rag and apparently not in the print edition.
Doubtlessly it will be spun into "EU blackmail".
"fake news" according to comments.
Ministers draw up secret plans to stockpile processed food in case of a 'no deal' Brexit
Doubtlessly it will be spun into "EU blackmail".
"fake news" according to comments.
Ministers draw up secret plans to stockpile processed food in case of a 'no deal' Brexit
hot air baboon
Well-Known Member
Pot-Noodle Brexit
2hats
Dust.
Minus the electricity for the kettle so ‘Dry Pot-Noodle Brexit’.
teqniq
DisMembered
philosophical
Well-Known Member
Why is the plan to stockpile processed food against a no deal brexit a 'secret' as reported.
I thought the idea was for the UK to tell the EU they're not afraid to have everything collapse.
Also revealing such a plan would reassure anybody who is fearful of a no deal brexit that the UK would have enough baked beans in storage to last a year, and a new fart/methane collection system would be devised to counteract any post brexit shortages of fuel.
I thought the idea was for the UK to tell the EU they're not afraid to have everything collapse.
Also revealing such a plan would reassure anybody who is fearful of a no deal brexit that the UK would have enough baked beans in storage to last a year, and a new fart/methane collection system would be devised to counteract any post brexit shortages of fuel.
Chz
Stark Raving Sane
Surely something of this magnitude, that's a part of the government's manifesto, has to seen as a confidence vote?
Ranbay
The same rules apply
Wont the EU have the first say? as in LOLZ fucking jog on etc.
Yeah I was jumping a few steps ahead and assuming some deal will come to parliament that isn't a million miles away from what it is now. Big assumption I guess and possibly not warranted.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
ska invita
back on the other side
It sounds like Labour will definitely vote against...and by the time the EU negotiators have had a go even more Tory support will peel off.
I'm tying to guess what will happen next - curious what others think of this:
...there wont be a vote on it because it will be dead in the water before it ever gets to that point, the inability to pass it will mean May has officially lost authority and will have to stand down. Or the vote will take place for the sake of it and it will get voted down and the effect will be the same.
An internal Tory election solves nothing, and will be done to the ticking of the Brexit Day clock.
A general election may likely take place before March 2019, but even if it doesnt, in terms of Brexit Day itself I think there are only two realistic options: crash out in WTO rules or some kind of process, which would have the backing of the majority of the commons, would stop Brexit happening completely. Cue a cultural civil war + constitutional crisis.
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The only other option is that the negotiated Brexit bill passes the vote in the house of commons somehow (cant see how though). That would still do for May and see a Tory implosion I'd expect
No wonder Labour were all smiles at not winning the last election - dodged a bomb here, even if they get hit by the shrapnell
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
If Corbyn torpedoes May's deal out of a desire to fuck over the Tories at any cost, and we end up with no deal at all and some form of catastrophe as a result, I fail to see how that is going to play well for Labour. All the tories have to say is 'we had a deal but labour sabotaged it and now we're all screwed' and thus undermine any acquired political capital.
What Corbyn is well placed to do is to dictate the agenda, get some major headline-friendly concession towards his version of Brexit (which is what again?) and take the credit for saving the brexit deal and thus civilisation as we know it despite an incompetent, divided tory government.
ska invita
back on the other side
Labour wont say thats why they're voting against it though - there are plenty other excuses out there....and the argument from the Torys would fall down when a considerable part of her own party will vote against it too, especially once the EU negotiators have secured more concessions.
The Labour version of Brexit is heading towards the ultimate soft Breixt IMO, including 4 freedoms, though they dare not say that out loud at this point - though they may do, feigning reluctance, once doom is impending < my impression, because as you rightly say, who knows. Weaselish legalistic explanations from Starmer don't help.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
You thought wrong.
It sounds like Labour will definitely vote against...and by the time the EU negotiators have had a go even more Tory support will peel off.
I'm tying to guess what will happen next - curious what others think of this:
...there wont be a vote on it because it will be dead in the water before it ever gets to that point, the inability to pass it will mean May has officially lost authority and will have to stand down. Or the vote will take place for the sake of it and it will get voted down and the effect will be the same.
An internal Tory election solves nothing, and will be done to the ticking of the Brexit Day clock.
A general election may likely take place before March 2019, but even if it doesnt, in terms of Brexit Day itself I think there are only two realistic options: crash out in WTO rules or some kind of process, which would have the backing of the majority of the commons, would stop Brexit happening completely. Cue a cultural civil war + constitutional crisis.
??
The only other option is that the negotiated Brexit bill passes the vote in the house of commons somehow (cant see how though). That would still do for May and see a Tory implosion I'd expect
No wonder Labour were all smiles at not winning the last election - dodged a bomb here, even if they get hit by the shrapnell
Just looking at the brexit timeline again. It's not really a complete disaster if no deal gets agreed now. There is still the transition period. I'd kind of forgotten about that. Could it not easily be a no deal now, or between now and march anyway, and the UK and EU pick up discussions again during the transition period. If there's no legal reason why that couldn't happen, I can't see why it wouldn't.
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