Is Brexit actually going to happen?

[philosophical]

OK, we agree that the issue of how the border works in practice is the important one.

I've already given you my favoured solution, which you have dismissed as being unworkable.

I've also said all along that the main reason I took the opportunity to vote for Brexit was that I hoped the Conservative party would be damaged by a Leave vote, so I'm happy to leave the problem of the Irish border, along with all the other problems, to them to sort out or not.

The Conservative Party is damaged by being the Conservative Party, the trouble is not enough voters have cottoned on to that enough to vote them out.
Why would you help the Conservative Party out by suggesting a favoured solution?
And yes, I certainly believe a technological solution wouldn't work in practice.

 

[Pickman's model]

The Conservative Party is damaged by being the Conservative Party, the trouble is not enough voters have cottoned on to that enough to vote them out.
Why would you help the Conservative Party out by suggesting a favoured solution?
And yes, I certainly believe a technological solution wouldn't work in practice.

Yes. I think the tory party should distribute poisoned ribena to the delegates at tory conference. They could call the resulting deaths maytown

 

[Poi E]

Interesting times when the Daily Mail criticises members of the cabinet for being pro-business. The normally reserved FT laid into Johnson, old school tie be damned. May can't have a fucking clue which way to go as her party knows not what it stands for.

 

[Pickman's model]

Interesting times when the Daily Mail criticises members of the cabinet for being pro-business. The normally reserved FT laid into Johnson, old school tie be damned. May can't have a fucking clue which way to go as her party knows not what it stands for.

Privilege. It stands for privilege.

 

[andysays]

The Conservative Party is damaged by being the Conservative Party, the trouble is not enough voters have cottoned on to that enough to vote them out.
Why would you help the Conservative Party out by suggesting a favoured solution?
And yes, I certainly believe a technological solution wouldn't work in practice.

I've already mentioned the solution I favour. It isn't one which would find favour with the Conservative government or their supporters so suggesting it doesn't help them one bit.

 

[Poi E]

Neo lib panic over Rees Mogg in Institutional InvestorJacob Rees-Mogg Is Waging Political War

The poor fuckers. They thought they were the only interest group that mattered.

 

[yield]

Interesting times when the Daily Mail criticises members of the cabinet for being pro-business. The normally reserved FT laid into Johnson, old school tie be damned. May can't have a fucking clue which way to go as her party knows not what it stands for.

Was it these two articles? Crazy. It's good though that what was implicit is now explicit.

Boris Johnson’s Brexit explosion ruins Tory business credentials
FT June 25, 2018 (paywalled can c&p the whole article if people want)

For now the realists are in control, but this fissure goes beyond Brexit. One need only listen to leavers raging at the chancellor or the Bank of England to know a Tory Rubicon has been crossed.

This then is the state of British politics. A Labour party which has fallen to anti-capitalists and a Conservative party, infected by a strain of economic denialism and with a core — though not yet a majority — who place little store in business-friendly policies.

For the first time in 40 years business cannot be sure that either major party cares about its interests. The nation must hope that global businesses making investment decisions and hearing of Mr Johnson’s remark do not plump for the obvious reply.

'F*** business': Boris Johnson is accused of dismissing concerns of UK job losses in foul mouthed comment to EU diplomats
23 June 2018

Mr Johnson’s four-letter outburst was reportedly overheard by two diplomats when he was talking to Belgium’s EU envoy Rudolf Huygelen.

He also said he did not want a ‘bog-roll Brexit’ that was ‘soft, yielding and indefinitely long’.

His coarse comments were criticised by business leaders and MPs as ‘insulting’ and ‘demeaning’.

Quizzed over the Prime Minister’s support for a so-called ‘soft Brexit’ deal, rather than the ‘hard Brexit’ he favours, Mr Johnson said he would force her to back down, vowing: ‘We will fight it [soft Brexit] and we will win.’

Sowing further confusion, moments after telling guests in his formal speech that Brexit was ‘wonderful’, he confided privately that the UK was more divided now than since the English Civil War.

One for the civil war thread.

 

[philosophical]

This is an example of how (un)prepared the UK is with regard to the Irish border.
The top police chief in Northern Ireland is questioned by the Northern Ireland Affairs select committee.

PSNI 'in the dark' over Brexit plans

I doubt his position is of a remainer trying to undermine brexit, but he might be accused by some of doing so.

 

[magneze]

The Irish border is an issue? Why haven't you mentioned it before?

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

The Irish border is an issue? Why haven't you mentioned it before?

It appears that if the Eu doesn't give the UK a decent deal then the EU will wish to impose a border between the Six Counties and the Republic. I'm still waiting for philosophical and other remainers to explain why they support this shit.

 

[DexterTCN]

It appears that if the Eu doesn't give the UK a decent deal then the EU will wish to impose a border between the Six Counties and the Republic. I'm still waiting for philosophical and other remainers to explain why they support this shit.

If the EU doesn't give the UK a good deal then the EU will impose a border?

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

If the EU doesn't give the UK a good deal then the EU will impose a border?

Yeah. Bunch o'cunts, ain't they.

 

[mod]

Is there any realistic chance of a Peoples Vote?

 

[DexterTCN]

Yeah. Bunch o'cunts, ain't they.

No. The cunts are the people that caused this but now refuse to take responsibility for it or attempt to come up with a viable solution, sitting on their arses demanding everyone else fix their shit.

And no-one ever mentioned a border between NI/ROI. That's not where a border would be.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Is there any realistic chance of a Peoples Vote?

We had one two years ago and many people are still losing their shit over the result today, a second one will probably send 'em right over the edge!

 

[Pickman's model]

We had one two years ago and many people are still losing their shit over the result today, a second one will probably send 'em right over the edge!

all the more reason to have one

 

[andysays]

No. The cunts are the people that caused this but now refuse to take responsibility for it or attempt to come up with a viable solution, sitting on their arses demanding everyone else fix their shit.

And no-one ever mentioned a border between NI/ROI. That's not where a border would be.

No one ever mentioned a border between NI/ROI

No one.

Ever.

OK...

 

[andysays]

No. The cunts are the people that caused this but now refuse to take responsibility for it or attempt to come up with a viable solution, sitting on their arses demanding everyone else fix their shit...

At first I thought you were referring to those of us who voted for Brexit as cunts, but I've just realised that you actually mean the Conservative government.

Don't you?

 

[teuchter]

Yawn.

 

[Supine]

We had one two years ago and many people are still losing their shit over the result today, a second one will probably send 'em right over the edge!

True dat!

 

[philosophical]

If the EU doesn't give the UK a good deal then the EU will impose a border?

I my view you are looking at it from the opposite direction to me.
The UK voted brexit, so it is the UK who is imposing a border by leaving.
The question remains how does the UK intend to do that.

 

[DexterTCN]

I my view you are looking at it from the opposite direction to me.
The UK voted brexit, so it is the UK who is imposing a border by leaving.
The question remains how does the UK intend to do that.

I agree...I was quoting someone else.

btw has anyone said "welcome to Urban" yet?

Welcome

 

[philosophical]

I agree...I was quoting someone else.

btw has anyone said "welcome to Urban" yet?

Welcome

Thank you for your welcome, but judging by the number of times I have been called a c*nt here, my perception is that you are very much in a minority on this site.
Thank you all the same.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

I my view you are looking at it from the opposite direction to me.
The UK voted brexit, so it is the UK who is imposing a border by leaving.
The question remains how does the UK intend to do that.

It is the EU that imposes the borders, the massive fence between the EU and Serbia was built against the wishes of non-EU Serbia by the EU state of Hungry, using forced prison labour, (We♥EU).

And it is the EU that is insisting on dividing the island of Ireland unless the UK submits to the EU's will.

The UK has stated explicitly that they will not impose a hard border.

So it is up to those who support the EU to come up with a workable solution to this issue.

 

[agricola]

So it is up to those who support the EU to come up with a workable solution to this issue.

It should be, but thanks to the division and incompetence of the British Government it isn't.

 

[TheHoodedClaw]

So it is up to those who support the EU to come up with a workable solution to this issue.

Stay in the Single Market and the Customs Union, or a very close approximation thereof. There, done.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Stay in the Single Market and the Customs Union, or a very close approximation thereof. There, done.

Sounds like a winner, just exempt the Uk from the bits they don’t like and I think we have an accord

 

[Pickman's model]

It is the EU that imposes the borders, the massive fence between the EU and Serbia was built against the wishes of non-EU Serbia by the EU state of Hungry, using forced prison labour, (We♥EU).

And it is the EU that is insisting on dividing the island of Ireland unless the UK submits to the EU's will.

The UK has stated explicitly that they will not impose a hard border.

So it is up to those who support the EU to come up with a workable solution to this issue.

To be fair the UK did divide Ireland in the first place

 

[Pickman's model]

Thank you for your welcome, but judging by the number of times I have been called a c*nt here, my perception is that you are very much in a minority on this site.
Thank you all the same.

By using an asterisk you undermine any claim not to be what you refuse to spell

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

To be fair the UK did divide Ireland in the first place

You can’t keep dragging up history though, that’d be like having a pop at the Germans cos of the war...