Is Brexit actually going to happen?

[Wilf]

I know this was organised by the People's Vote, but wonder how they get the word out - I've not seen a single advert for it. Is it a whispered word of mouth thing at farmer's markets? Pick up a flyer at the aga store? People radicalised by Vince Cable videos?

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

I know this was organised by the People's Vote, but wonder how they get the word out - I've not seen a single advert for it. Is it a whispered word of mouth thing at farmer's markets? Pick up a flyer at the aga store? People radicalised by Vince Cable videos?

The #FBPE hashtags on twitter? Why do you think they all sound the way they do

 

[DotCommunist]

oh those twats on twitter. I'm not even sure what FPBE stands for or PCP (thought that was angel dust. Which seems to have gone away since 2003, but i digress)

 

[Beermoth]

Just looking at vids, seeing comments from people who are at the march today and it just strikes me how parochial and directionless these people are. They seem to want to simultaneously demonise the Labour leadership and also put Corbyn forward as some sort of superman figure that with enough hectoring will put on a cape and save them from Brexit.

That's because their politics centre around Strong Leaders Doing Important Things and Corbyn doesn't really fulfil that role.

 

[Beermoth]

oh those twats on twitter. I'm not even sure what FPBE stands for

Fucking
Pricks
Boring on about
Europe

 

[seventh bullet]

Indeed, and with the digger now on zero-hour contract

And expected to do it without providing a shovel.

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

oh those twats on twitter. I'm not even sure what FPBE stands for or PCP (thought that was angel dust. Which seems to have gone away since 2003, but i digress)

I never had the belly for PCP It’s Pro Corbyn Pro Europe. Prior to the last election these guys all believed the idea that Corbyn opposed the EU was fake news, now it’s as J Ed said they think he’s just going to come to “the light side” as they are calling TwitterRemain

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

That's because their politics centre around Strong Leaders Doing Important Things and Corbyn doesn't really fulfil that role.

Endless photos of them at their day job, which is basically the same photo of suits looking at a presentation on a projector. As every working class person who has been to a training course knows, nothing of any use happens in a conference room in front of a projector. You dicks!

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

*as I type that I realise lots of worthy learning has happened in lecture halls but just work with me. It’s saturday night.

 

[Combustible]

Just looking at vids, seeing comments from people who are at the march today and it just strikes me how parochial and directionless these people are. They seem to want to simultaneously demonise the Labour leadership and also put Corbyn forward as some sort of superman figure that with enough hectoring will put on a cape and save them from Brexit.

Given that there is a sizeable minority who are very anti Brexit, I am actually surprised about how ineffective they have been. One reason must be that many of the new anti Brexit initiatives are just as much if not more about being anti Corbyn.

The line seems to be that Corbyn could stop Brexit if he wanted to, but he doesn't. Not many people seem to elaborate how exactly he could do that. Someone on Twitter did give it a go, with the first step being he should bring down the government with a vote of no confidence. I guess if you feel like you can ignore the majority of voters in the referendum, ignoring the combined Tory + DUP majority in parliament should be no problem.

 

[Supine]

I think a lot of people are annoyed with Labour whipping to abstain from votes in the house. Plus 70% of Labour supporters want to remain, so there is bound to be disappointment now the influx of Corbyn's supporters realise that on this issue he is going against the flow of the party.

 

[Combustible]

I think a lot of people are annoyed with Labour whipping to abstain from votes in the house. Plus 70% of Labour supporters want to remain, so there is bound to be disappointment now the influx of Corbyn's supporters realise that on this issue he is going against the flow of the party.

Well the line has been that Corbyn could prevent Brexit but he chooses not to, rather than Corbyn could make an ineffective political gesture, but he chooses not to. But Corbyn's ability to stop Brexit is constantly bigged up to sell the idea that getting rid of him or voting Lib Dem or a hypothetical new centrist party will stop Brexit. And given the stunning lack of success of all three of those options, most remainers aren't buying it.

 

[pocketscience]

I'm not sure to what extent redsquirrel is trying to be satirical here, but I know people who work in that Airbus plant - like any highly skilled workers, they take a lot of pride in what they do, and they do it well, hard to imagine anything more demeaning than having them make wings that will never go on planes.

Those sites did much better in the past. A very proud history where complete aircraft were produced. If anything, under BAe/Airbus they've regressed to be bit part players.

 

[Puddy_Tat]

morning star piece last week on who's bankrolling bits of the 'stop brexit' campaign

hmm.

 

[pocketscience]

It’ll be done for political reasons there too.

Alex

no, economic

 

[Raheem]

Well the line has been that Corbyn could prevent Brexit but he chooses not to, rather than Corbyn could make an ineffective political gesture, but he chooses not to. But Corbyn's ability to stop Brexit is constantly bigged up to sell the idea that getting rid of him or voting Lib Dem or a hypothetical new centrist party will stop Brexit. And given the stunning lack of success of all three of those options, most remainers aren't buying it.

Liked, even though I'm not sure how it is you know what most remainers are buying. Do you work for Shopacheck?

 

[J Ed]

Only just thought of this comparison but wonder whether it has occurred to anyone else?

The tone deafness, the flambuoyant protests, the super hero costumes... FBPE is just like Fathers for Justice.

 

[sleaterkinney]

Only just thought of this comparison but wonder whether it has occurred to anyone else?

The tone deafness, the flambuoyant protests, the super hero costumes... FBPE is just like Fathers for Justice.

On the other hand:

 

[alex_]

no, economic

Depends upon your viewpoint - I think we are agreeing - from Boeing’s perspective it’s economic to keep the politicians happy.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Well the line has been that Corbyn could prevent Brexit but he chooses not to, rather than Corbyn could make an ineffective political gesture, but he chooses not to. But Corbyn's ability to stop Brexit is constantly bigged up to sell the idea that getting rid of him or voting Lib Dem or a hypothetical new centrist party will stop Brexit. And given the stunning lack of success of all three of those options, most remainers aren't buying it.

I do think Corbyn could allow his MPs a free vote. For one thing, he's going to get plenty of people voting against the whip anyway. For another, it doesn't really change the parliamentary arithmetic either way.

 

[Chz]

no, economic

Well, I suppose it's economic for them to take advantage of all the political pork on offer to do so. But I think that's being a bit obtuse about where the incentive is really coming from. Despite what some think, the US and the EU aren't very different when it comes to political subsidies.

 

[gentlegreen]

On the other hand:

This royal throne of kings, this sceptred isle,
This earth of majesty, this seat of Mars,
This other Eden, demi-paradise, ...

 

[agricola]

On the other hand:

they have to be crisis actors, surely

 

[Kaka Tim]

[/QUOTE]

fuck me - right said fred have really let themselves go haven't they?

 

[2hats]

they have to be crisis actors, surely

Mid-life crisis actors?

 

[treelover]

Er, there are/have been a fair few posters on here who resemble these blokes, especially the ones at the back, shades of 'ill fitting suits', getting to be expected on here.

 

[Supine]

We now know where all the pies went.

 

[The39thStep]

Same far right that are on every demo as I recall

 

[Pickman's model]

Er, there are/have been a fair few posters on here who resemble these blokes, especially the ones at the back, shades of 'ill fitting suits', getting to be expected on here.

That's a couple of women at the back, one a cop, time to go to specsavers treelover.

 

[Hollis]

Only just thought of this comparison but wonder whether it has occurred to anyone else?

The tone deafness, the flambuoyant protests, the super hero costumes... FBPE is just like Fathers for Justice.

I think that's stretching it.