Is Brexit actually going to happen?

[billbond]

Anti Brexit protest today at 12pm on Pall Mall.

Lovely weather for it

was hoping for snow

Too hot for me personally this weather, prefer it a bit cooler

 

[redsquirrel]

You are a Viz character and I claim my £5. Nobody likes busywork.

Are you really unaware that this type of Keynesian social democracy was the political consensus for decades? That employing people for "useless" tasks was actually a good thing because it created employment, generated taxes etc? I'm genuinely surprised that you seem to disagree with this.

Better to ensure people have the means to live and let them get on with living creative lives rather than create a state controlled nightmare.

You think that was what the post-war consensus was?

 

[The39thStep]

No they are not, they are simply saying it’s neither right nor sustainable to add to that. Better to ensure people have the means to live and let them get on with living creative lives rather than create a state controlled nightmare.

Airbus would have problems surviving without state subsidies or state contracts

 

[gentlegreen]

Anti Brexit protest today at 12pm on Pall Mall.

Lovely weather for it

Just spotted a Periscope from a #freetommytard - seems like there's some sort of counter protest happening.

Spoiler: periscope stream

BasedWelshman @BasedWelshman1

 

[The39thStep]

Just spotted a Periscope from a #freetommytard - seems like there's some sort of counter protest happening.

Spoiler: periscope stream

BasedWelshman @BasedWelshman1

There are two marches , one for a second vote ( on first) and one for Brexit( a little later) . I suspect some members of the pro Brexit one probably blame the second vote supporters for TR jailing.

 

[alex_]

Airbus would have problems surviving without state subsidies or state contracts

Which is what airbus are shopping for.

Alex

 

[SpookyFrank]

I'm not being satirical at all.
The position that there are benefits to person A to dig a hole and person B to fill that hole in (to use the classic example) is not radical, it's bog standard Keynesism. It was accepted by the majority of the political class in the West for decades, including Conservatives.

The idea that paying people to do meaningless work is a now-extinct midcentury centrist idea is pretty clearly nonsense. Neoliberalism has taken the dig-a-hole-and-fill-it-in model and run with it, so that now we have three consultants telling every digger how to hold his shovel and a dozen marketing people selling the newly filled-in hole as an exciting new digging opportunity. Only now the aim isn't to provide everyone with a decent standard of living, but to create endless new ways for one cunt to get rich off of someone else's digging.

 

[JimW]

Which is what airbus are shopping for.

Alex

You can't scoff at people buying promises to the NHS on the side of a bus if you swallow this off Airbus hook line and sinker

 

[danny la rouge]

re you really unaware that this type of Keynesian social democracy was the political consensus for decades? That employing people for "useless" tasks was actually a good thing because it created employment, generated taxes etc?

It's called the multiplier effect, and was applied openly by Labour and Tory governments alike. It's still applied less openly by the EU when it subsidises farming, for example, and by the UK and US when they subsidise arms manufacture and all manner of things that are no different in effect to public ownership of the "heights of the economy". Remember banks that were "too large to fail"? This isn't Milton Friedman, it's covert Keynes.

It'd be nice to have some infrastructure or useful equipment as a result of government-created demand, but for the economics of the multiplier effect to work it is not necessary.

This was the way things were openly done in the West, including the US, for many years. This is still the way neoliberalism subsidises the wealthy. It only applies the cold logic of the free market to the poor.

Given the choice, I'm with Keynes on this. To quote the man himself "we're all dead in the long run". (In other words, let's not wait for the market to create demand and let people suffer poverty for what might be generations until the upturn).

Governments prior to Thatcher agreed.

 

[The39thStep]

There are two marches , one for a second vote ( on first) and one for Brexit( a little later) . I suspect some members of the pro Brexit one probably blame the second vote supporters for TR jailing.

What could possibly go wrong?

 

[redsquirrel]

The idea that paying people to do meaningless work is a now-extinct midcentury centrist idea is pretty clearly nonsense. Neoliberalism has taken the dig-a-hole-and-fill-it-in model and run with it, so that now we have three consultants telling every digger how to hold his shovel and a dozen marketing people selling the newly filled-in hole as an exciting new digging opportunity. Only now the aim isn't to provide everyone with a decent standard of living, but to create endless new ways for one cunt to get rich off of someone else's digging.

Indeed, and with the digger now on zero-hour contract

 

[andysays]

What could possibly go wrong?

It's Tommy vs Tony, the battle of the Robinsons

 

[andysays]

And here's a report from the frontlines...

Brexit: Marchers demand final Brexit deal vote

 

[J Ed]

This should be the last word on Brexit.

 

[Santino]

This should be the last word on Brexit.

It might mean that to you. To me it doesn't.

 

[danny la rouge]

It might mean that to you. To me it doesn't.

This deserves a fraction of a like.

Can we not have ratings likes? A stars system. 1 - 5 would be ample.

 

[gosub]

This deserves a fraction of a like.

Can we not have ratings likes? A stars system. 1 - 5 would be ample.

This can only lead to like mining which is even drafter than bitcoin

 

[danny la rouge]

This can only lead to like mining which is even drafter than bitcoin

We wouldn't want that. Nobody ever fishes for likes at the moment.

*waits for likes to pile up*

 

[J Ed]

Just looking at vids, seeing comments from people who are at the march today and it just strikes me how parochial and directionless these people are. They seem to want to simultaneously demonise the Labour leadership and also put Corbyn forward as some sort of superman figure that with enough hectoring will put on a cape and save them from Brexit.

I think that to say they have learned nothing since the referendum would be far too generous.

 

[JimW]

We wouldn't want that. Nobody ever fishes for likes at the moment.

*waits for likes to pile up*

Oh, go on then

 

[Pickman's model]

We wouldn't want that. Nobody ever fishes for likes at the moment.

*waits for likes to pile up*

Have a pity like

 

[Pickman's model]

Just looking at vids, seeing comments from people who are at the march today and it just strikes me how parochial and directionless these people are. They seem to want to simultaneously demonise the Labour leadership and also put Corbyn forward as some sort of superman figure that with enough hectoring will put on a cape and save them from Brexit.

I think that to say they have learned nothing since the referendum would be far too generous.

They have like the bourbons learned nothing and forgotten nothing

 

[danny la rouge]

They have like the bourbons learned nothing and forgotten nothing

The custard creams, on the other hand, are swats.

 

[Pickman's model]

The custard creams, on the other hand, are swats.

Killed many a fly with a thrown custard cream

 

[alex_]

You can't scoff at people buying promises to the NHS on the side of a bus if you swallow this off Airbus hook line and sinker

The only reason that Airbus has production all across Europe is historic political reasons - from the days when it was a conglomerate of state owned business and every nation had to get their share.

There is no way it is commercially sensible to make wings hundreds of miles away from fuselages.

Look at this map Comment Airbus livre ses avions ? remorques ?

It sounds pretty sensible to consolidate some of this if someone was telling you they were going to try to make this even harder to run.

Alex

 

[teqniq]

Whilst that may well be partly true I was having a conversation with a friend earlier today and he told me one of the main drivers to having the manufacturing split over a number of countries was to avoid trade tariffs with the U.S.

 

[gosub]

The only reason that Airbus has production all across Europe is historic political reasons - from the days when it was a conglomerate of state owned business and every nation had to get their share.

There is no way it is commercially sensible to make wings hundreds of miles away from fuselages.

Look at this map Comment Airbus livre ses avions ? remorques ?

It sounds pretty sensible to consolidate some of this if someone was telling you they were going to try to make this even harder to run.

Alex

All true. Wing is the most complex bit though and UK ended up with it due having a world class aerospace sector , that has been trashed over the last 60 years - at one point the Head of British Aerospace actually publicly stated "we are going to concentrate on our core business of making nuclear submarines", and the other was geology ; wings were carved out of a single piece of aluminium - Wales lack of earth quakes gave them an advantage and they still wrecked a couple, composites have changed that.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

The only reason that Airbus has production all across Europe is historic political reasons - from the days when it was a conglomerate of state owned business and every nation had to get their share.

There is no way it is commercially sensible to make wings hundreds of miles away from fuselages.

Look at this map Comment Airbus livre ses avions ? remorques ?

It sounds pretty sensible to consolidate some of this if someone was telling you they were going to try to make this even harder to run.

Alex

Boeing aircraft are made all over the place and sent to Washington for final assembly, it is a model that does work.

 

[alex_]

Boeing aircraft are made all over the place and sent to Washington for final assembly, it is a model that does work.

It’ll be done for political reasons there too.

Alex

 

[billbond]

This deserves a fraction of a like.

Can we not have ratings likes? A stars system. 1 - 5 would be

Just looking at vids, seeing comments from people who are at the march today and it just strikes me how parochial and directionless these people are. They seem to want to simultaneously demonise the Labour leadership and also put Corbyn forward as some sort of superman figure that with enough hectoring will put on a cape and save them from Brexit.

I think that to say they have learned nothing since the referendum would be far too generous.

Corbyn gets a lot of stick from all types, but for me i think he deserves a lot of credit for not going against a DEMOCRATIC vote.
If he would just get rid of some of his backroom staff he might have a chance.