Is Brexit actually going to happen?

[bemused]

I get that Miliband, Clegg and Morgan are trying to make an important point that MPs should start asserting some influence over the Brexit single market/customs union malarky. But why on earth to politicians insist on having these speeches in factories? It doesn't make you look serious and down to earth, just too tight to hire a room in some airport hotel.

This photoshoot from a Tilda rice warehouse is comical.

 

[Hollis]

In this case I think it's kind of justified, if it brings home that Brexit isn't just some "jolly wheeze" or some theoretical abstraction ...or its all just going to 'come good' under Jeremy or Jacob. (etc. etc.)

 

[The39thStep]

I get that Miliband, Clegg and Morgan are trying to make an important point that MPs should start asserting some influence over the Brexit single market/customs union malarky. But why on earth to politicians insist on having these speeches in factories? It doesn't make you look serious and down to earth, just too tight to hire a room in some airport hotel.

This photoshoot from a Tilda rice warehouse is comical.

It is and even more comical that these people think that they are speaking to anyone but the pro EU middle class liberal left. What have they got to offer to engage with anyone working class that voted leave, which is the constituency they would have to engage with to have any effect.

 

[The39thStep]

Yes and No, there is a tendency to treat workers as totally interchangeable which simply isn't realistic, an influx of unskilled workers won't depress the wages for skilled ones, only for competing unskilled workers, One of the biggest issues in this country is the abject failure of both government and employers to invest in education and training.
Immigration is a complex issue, a shortage of skilled workers at the same time there is a glut of unskilled ones is also a complex issue, Trying to find something simple to pin the blame on is however human nature.

Ok I'll go and find something simple .

 

[Hollis]

It is and even more comical that these people think that they are speaking to anyone but the pro EU middle class liberal left. What have they got to offer to engage with anyone working class that voted leave, which is the constituency they would have to engage with to have any effect.

I think it's an open door. Also it isn't just the pro-leave 'working class' that's a constituency here.

 

[MickiQ]

It is and even more comical that these people think that they are speaking to anyone but the pro EU middle class liberal left. What have they got to offer to engage with anyone working class that voted leave, which is the constituency they would have to engage with to have any effect.

The biggest problem with the pro-Remain establishment is that a lot of them can't grasp that ordinary people have a different set of priorities to them, it's all very well banging on about the importance of free trade (and it is) when they can't translate it to things that concern ordinary working class voters. Which is a vast pity of course since the lives of those people are going to be seriously affected by the consequences of what is happening.
It's easy to ridicule the swivel eyed loons like Mogg but the likes of Kinnock and Clegg don't exactly fill me with confidence either.

 

[The39thStep]

I think it's an open door. Also it isn't just the pro-leave 'working class' that's a constituency here.

open door for whom? and what are the other constituences?

 

[sleaterkinney]

It's the 2% who think it's going well that gets me.

 

[redsquirrel]

And what conclusions are you drawing from this?

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

I get that Miliband, Clegg and Morgan are trying to make an important point that MPs should start asserting some influence over the Brexit single market/customs union malarky. But why on earth to politicians insist on having these speeches in factories? It doesn't make you look serious and down to earth, just too tight to hire a room in some airport hotel.

This photoshoot from a Tilda rice warehouse is comical.

Two thirds of those in the photo are not MPs.

 

[Badgers]

Brexit: Falkland Islands government sounds alarm on leaving single market

 

[Yossarian]

It's the 2% who think it's going well that gets me.

It works out to 7% of Remain voters and 22% of Leavers who think it's going well - so more than just a weird statistical blip, like the 1% of UKIP voters who chose Remain.

 

[bemused]

It is and even more comical that these people think that they are speaking to anyone but the pro EU middle class liberal left. What have they got to offer to engage with anyone working class that voted leave, which is the constituency they would have to engage with to have any effect.

My observation of brexit is how many people have stepped forward to be the voice of the silent majority of brexit voters, I guess because it's easy to the be the voice of the silent when you have a huge platform.

 

[bemused]

It's the 2% who think it's going well that gets me.

I still think we'll end up in some sort of EEA type deal, I look forward to Tories screaming into the night when that happens.

 

[andysays]

It's the 2% who think it's going well that gets me.

I wasn't polled, but as someone who voted Leave primarily to fuck up the Tories, I think it's going pretty well so far.

 

[Supine]

I wasn't polled, but as someone who voted Leave primarily to fuck up the Tories, I think it's going pretty well so far.

Shame it'll fuck up the country as well as the tories

 

[The39thStep]

My observation of brexit is how many people have stepped forward to be the voice of the silent majority of brexit voters, I guess because it's easy to the be the voice of the silent when you have a huge platform.

The huge coprorations and media that support Remain must be envious

 

[bemused]

The huge coprorations and media that support Remain must be envious

Not sure it's going to affect them in the end anyway.

 

[The39thStep]

Brexit: Falkland Islands government sounds alarm on leaving single market

They are not part of the EU and didnt get a vote in the referendum

 

[Pickman's model]

Brexit: Falkland Islands government sounds alarm on leaving single market

yes, the result of the referendum has only just reached them.

 

[The39thStep]

 

[Raheem]

Tbf, fairly meaningless unless put side by side with a map for "my voice counts".

 

[The39thStep]

Tbf, fairly meaningless unless put side by side with a map for "my voice counts".

That is a map for 'my voice counts'

 

[2hats]

That is a map for 'my voice counts'

Would be interesting to see alongside a map of ‘my voice counts’ for each country in relation to national government…

Lo and behold:

Source: ‘Europeans in 2017’ (European Parliament publication)

e2a: The survey would seem to suggest that it is the UK, Slovakia where voices are more likely to be perceived to count less in the EU than nationally whereas for Romania, Bulgaria the situation is reversed.

 

[Raheem]

e2a: The survey would seem to suggest that it is the UK, Slovakia where voices are more likely to be perceived to count less in the EU than nationally whereas for Romania, Bulgaria the situation is reversed.

That's not what the comparison shows. It's my voice within in the EU versus my country's voice within the EU.

 

[billbond]

Shame it'll fuck up the country as well as the tories

Do you have this weeks winning Lottery numbers ?
seems you can see into the future

 

[bemused]

i wonder if France would vote to leave, casually Googling seems to suggest it isn't unlikely they would

 

[Pickman's model]

i wonder if France would vote to leave, casually Googling seems to suggest it isn't unlikely they would

they'd have to call a referendum first of course

 

[Pickman's model]

i wonder if France would vote to leave, casually Googling seems to suggest it isn't unlikely they would

given what they can see happening on this side of the channel i'd imagine that in any referendum the french electorate would consider carefully who might be negotiating a frexit before marking their ballot paper.

 

[sleaterkinney]

And what conclusions are you drawing from this?

That they want any kind of brexit. Even the mess that's being made at the moment.