Is Brexit actually going to happen?

[Pickman's model]

Because I don't support your wooly nonsense does not follow that I support the vermin's policies either. The world has far more hues than black and white.

As tj hooker said there are a million shades of grey

 

[DexterTCN]

Any decision to lay off workers post-Brexit is as much a political decision as those which lead to the referendum in the first place.

So when liberal tools like DexterTCN hold up such layoffs as some kind of natural, unavoidable outcome of Brexit, rather than a conscious decision by capital, they are playing exactly the role that capital wants them to; misdirecting the blame.

Right then...what do we have?

'workers'? tick
'liberal tool'? tick
'capital'? tick tick

well done you. and extra points for saying (paraphrase) 'people like me'.

Brexit's so simple, eh.

 

[Pickman's model]

Right then...what do we have?

'workers'? tick
'liberal tool'? tick
'capital'? tick tick

well done you. and extra points for saying (paraphrase) 'people like me'.

Brexit's so simple, eh.

Yeh. Read the words, don't count them

 

[William of Walworth]

This is interesting.

The true reason Britain cannot call Europe’s bluff

"This is interesting" doesn't qualify as a summary...

I agree, but I'll attempt a 2-line-only summary :

However little you like Prospect magazine, and I'm no fan at all either, that article really does list a fair few real-world and practical problems for Brexit**.

**If implemented in the hardest, most Rees-Moggian form of "complete exit or no deal, no compromise"

 

[Streathamite]

In the short video, Iain Duncan Smith, son of Wing Commander WGG "Smithy" Duncan Smith, Sandhurst alumni, ex-Scots Guards, aide-de-campe to a General, tours in Northern Ireland and "Rhodesia", MP since 1987 and former leader of the Conservative Party and coalition cabinet minister, current member of the Privy Council, posits that the "British Establishment" (of which he of course, definitely, is not only not a member but excluded quite viciously from) are wedded to the EU on the basis that they used to have sinecures there as civil servants and advisers. Moreover, they have been quite rude about Brexiteers. Oh, and no one elected them.

IDS not only understands but stands shoulder to shoulder with those branded "thick" and "not knowing what they voted for" by the House of Lords.

all seems kosher to me. who knows how he will react when he finds out how much Rees-Mogg's asset management fund stands to make on the day of Brexit. I am sure he definitely absolutely and in no way stands to benefit from it himself, either.

tsk! you forgot to mention his father-in - law, Lord Cottesloe, in whose extensive country estate lies the elegant and palatial period residence of Mr & Mrs Duncan Smith.
You're slipping...

 

[Raheem]

Any decision to lay off workers post-Brexit is as much a political decision as those which lead to the referendum in the first place.

Any decision to lay off workers is, in some sense, a political decision. But are you really supposing that businesses post-Brexit are giving up the habit of doing what generates most profit and instead chucking away money to provide fodder for an MSM narrative? I'm not accusing you of supposing that, but what are you supposing exactly?

 

[gosub]

That old man Tarta would have done this anyways... He wasnt exactly slow in shutting Port Talbot

 

[gosub]

dp

 

[DexterTCN]

 

[Pickman's model]

that's grand. what's happened in the interim? i'd be more interested in seeing the 3 may 2018 figures compared to the 10 may 2018 figures.

 

[Supine]

Perhaps anti-Semitism isn't the vote winner Labour thought it was.

 

[NoXion]

Any decision to lay off workers is, in some sense, a political decision. But are you really supposing that businesses post-Brexit are giving up the habit of doing what generates most profit and instead chucking away money to provide fodder for an MSM narrative? I'm not accusing you of supposing that, but what are you supposing exactly?

I'm only supposing that the "See what you've done, you thick racist Brexiters? You've forced the invisible hand!" narrative that underlies the posting of such stories is not one of working class empowerment, but instead of passive surrender to conscious business decisions as if they were immutable forces of nature.

 

[DexterTCN]

Perhaps anti-Semitism isn't the vote winner Labour thought it was.

The working class are moving to the right, that poll suggests.

 

[William of Walworth]

That old man Tarta would have done this anyways... He wasnt exactly slow in shutting Port Talbot

What, that still very operative plant?

We still see the smoke from its operations every day, here in Swansea. Do feel free to explain your point.

Apologies, however, if you were taking the piss

 

[William of Walworth]

Perhaps anti-Semitism isn't the vote winner Labour thought it was.

Perhaps talking utter shit isn't as politically incisive for analysis as you thought it was either?

 

[William of Walworth]

"See what you've done, you thick racist Brexiters? You've forced the invisible hand!"

Loving your politically incisive analysis here too ....

 

[butchersapron]

Perhaps anti-Semitism isn't the vote winner Labour thought it was.

You are an utter time waster.

 

[Slo-mo]

Depressing figures from the TUC this morning

Wage squeeze 'worst in modern history'

But why won't the TUC come out and say high levels of net economic migration is a factor? Not the only factor, but a factor. Why are we letting the right dominate?

 

[butchersapron]

You are the right.

 

[butchersapron]

Of course the tuc is more concerned with the real reasons for wage squeeze rather than a minor component of that, and a wage squeeze that effects ununionised individual workers, people that they don't represent isn't going to show up in their stuff.

Is today the day you cast the mask off oswald? You missed Hillsborough memorial day this year so you must be chomping at the bit.

 

[Slo-mo]

WTF has Hillsborough got to do with this?

 

[gosub]

What, that still very operative plant?

We still see the smoke from its operations every day, here in Swansea. Do feel free to explain your point.

Apologies, however, if you were taking the piss

The plant is open with employees having been strong armed into taking pension cut else face closure... HMG were unable to help due to EU rules on state subsides.. But feel free to carry on like a goldfish

 

[philosophical]

On the TV this morning we have an Irish politician challenging the UK to stand by it's own suggestions and what it has agreed so far.
Kier Starmer is trying to dilute shameful equivocation into something palatable.
Obviously the vile Tory/brexit lot are princes of darkness, Labour however lurks in shadows.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Depressing figures from the TUC this morning

Wage squeeze 'worst in modern history'

But why won't the TUC come out and say high levels of net economic migration is a factor? Not the only factor, but a factor. Why are we letting the right dominate?

Go and look up the difference between 'factor' and 'pretext'.

 

[Badgers]

Brexit: UK government to host summit on why other countries should join the EU

 

[Slo-mo]

Go and look up the difference between 'factor' and 'pretext'.

I don't think it is a pretext. It is one of a number of reasons that has led us to a world with stagnating real wages and high rents.

I'm sorry, but it is. I wish it wasn't so, but it is.

 

[Winot]

I don't think it is a pretext. It is one of a number of reasons that has led us to a world with stagnating real wages and high rents.

I'm sorry, but it is. I wish it wasn't so, but it is.

It’s not straightforward. There are some links to studies here:

How immigrants affect jobs and wages

 

[Slo-mo]

It’s not straightforward. There are some links to studies here:

How immigrants affect jobs and wages

Very few things are straightforward. That study appears to have found the lowest paid workers lose the most, which surely isn't good?

Interestingly there is hardly ever any research on the impact of high net migration on rents. Certainly a ready market of new tenants has made it much easier for landlords to turn their backs on groups like DSS and people with pets or children.

 

[William of Walworth]

The plant is open with employees having been strong armed into taking pension cut else face closure

We're aware of this locally, one of my CAMRA gang works in Port Talbot and said they hated being held over a barrel like that with the pension cuts.
But that earlier post of yours appeared to say that they'd shut the plant down. All I was doing was contradicting that really.

HMG were unable to help due to EU rules on state subsides

Not doubting you, but is this definite? The Government showed no sign at any point of wanting to do anything anyway.

But feel free to carry on like a goldfish

The cat ate me

 

[SpookyFrank]

Very few things are straightforward. That study appears to have found the lowest paid workers lose the most, which surely isn't good?

Interestingly there is hardly ever any research on the impact of high net migration on rents. Certainly a ready market of new tenants has made it much easier for landlords to turn their backs on groups like DSS and people with pets or children.

Employers set wage levels, landlords set rent levels.

Just in case you're deliberately ignoring those two facts to make a point or something.