Is Brexit actually going to happen?

[The39thStep]

by 1975 the nf had of course been around for 8 years

Emergence of them as having some impact as a political force .

 

[Pickman's model]

Emergence of them as having some impact as a political force .

in march 1968 andrew fountaine picked up 1,400 votes - 5.6% of the total - when he stood in acton. i'd say that's making some impact as a political force for a young and marginal party.

 

[Pickman's model]

not to mention fairly uncritical coverage in the guardian times, e.g.

times 24/4/1968

 

[The39thStep]

The NF growth was from 1972 onwards,starting with the Ugandan Asian protests. The big West Brom vote and the election of the Blackburn councillors came a bit later.

 

[Pickman's model]

The NF growth was from 1972 onwards,starting with the Ugandan Asian protests. The big West Brom vote and the election of the Blackburn councillors came a bit later.

there's this rather pathetic report from july 1969

 

[MickiQ]

I was slightly narked by the time of the 1975 referendum it being a few months before my 18th birthday and I was itching to take part in the democratic process, the whole thing was a lot lower key than the one last year.
I seem to remember the turnout in the small Cheshire town where I grew up was pitiful, I imagine it was a lot more last year.
Immigration from Europe wasn't an issue then since there were only 9 countries in the EU then and most of them were better off than us, we were the East Europeans then going off to work in Germany.
People voted for Leave for all sorts of reasons but I think a lot of those who did, did so citing immigration but it goes deeper than simple racism, I think a major reason was economic and social insecurity, due to the lack of decent jobs, opportunities and housing, the perception that they were being squeezed out in their own country. Mass immigration is far and away the most visible effect of the EU on ordinary citizens and thus the one they think about the most and it gives people someone and something to blame.
Putting the blame where it really lies on globalisation and technical advancement is no good since that means you have to accept you can't actually do anything about it, Whereas you can vote to stop immigrants coming in in the belief that it will make things better. It won't and will probably end up making things worse but easy (if false) solutions to complex problems always sell well.

 

[The39thStep]

there's this rather pathetic report from july 1969
View attachment 129938

how do you get the back issue images?

 

[Pickman's model]

how do you get the back issue images?

Work has access to times digital archive

 

[The39thStep]

Work has access to times digital archive

have you got access to the Telegraph?

 

[teuchter]

I'm currently on the red telephone to the relevant authorities discussing Pickman's model 's distribution of this paid-for subscription content on the publick internet.

 

[Pickman's model]

I'm currently on the red telephone to the relevant authorities discussing Pickman's model 's distribution of this paid-for subscription content on the publick internet.

Yeh no surprise I always know knew you were a tout

 

[Pickman's model]

have you got access to the Telegraph?

Not so much

 

[Hollis]

Yes you are right but the referendum was about staying in a trade agreement.

I think you're missing the point.

 

[The39thStep]

I think you're missing the point.

Ok what point do you think I'm missing

 

[The39thStep]

Not so much

See if you can get the front page report on the NUS conference re the Harrington Out campaign prob 1984/5 please

 

[Pickman's model]

See if you can get the front page report on the NUS conference re the Harrington Out campaign prob 1984/5 please

I'll see what I can do tomorrow

 

[The39thStep]

I'll see what I can do tomorrow

You're a good man .Thanks

 

[Pickman's model]

You're a good man .Thanks

don't have it. i had a look on the databases and e-resources lists, we've got it from 2000: but when i'm next up the british library i'll dig you out a copy.

 

[DotCommunist]

Red Brexiters wise up – a housing crash won’t bring us socialism | Zoe Williams

peak guardian for the opening lines:
Alexa, what is red Brexit?” tweeted Aaron Bastani, the founder of the exhilarating Novara Media

hehe

 

[Nine Bob Note]

Consolation for Britons: Russian secret service settles in London (Dutch)

The decision by Unilever to choose Rotterdam over London is a sensitive blow to the United Kingdom. Yet the same day there is still comfort: the Russian secret service FSB will move the head office to the British capital.

"Many of our activities take place in Great Britain," says FSB director Alexander Bortnikov. "For us, London was therefore a logical choice."

British Prime Minister Theresa May is delighted: "The arrival of the FSB shows that the Brexit organizations do not scare away from Great Britain. This provides an enormous amount of extra jobs in the criminal investigation and in the medical sector. "

 

[kabbes]

The official line is that Unilever’s decision is nothing to do with Brexit. Officially.

 

[Winot]

Back to the Irish border. HoC committee (chaired by a Brexiteer) finds that - surprise surprise - there is no existing technological solution to enable a magic invisible border.

No progress in finding solution to Brexit border problem - News from Parliament

 

[philosophical]

Back to the Irish border. HoC committee (chaired by a Brexiteer) finds that - surprise surprise - there is no existing technological solution to enable a magic invisible border.

No progress in finding solution to Brexit border problem - News from Parliament

The report says brexit hinges on finding a border solution, at least unless there is a no deal cliff edge brexit. The border issue encapsulates so much that is a problem regarding what brexiters have done.
A no deal brexit will damage Ireland and the Irish, which matters nothing to brexiters who disregarded and were distainful towards the Irish issue when they voted.
The brexit voters seem to think they can blag it, or that it is somebody else's problem. The attitude expressed in the brexit vote is resonant of centuries of anti Irish sentiment.
To counteract that, brexiters could try to suggest a solution to the nightmare they voted for. The EU is gone, the pressing problem is the border they voted to take back control of.

 

[sealion]

Right on cue

 

[Winot]

Anyway it's all OK because according to Chris Grayling those borders we were going to take back control of after Brexit aren't going to appear *anywhere*.

Grayling: No Brexit lorry checks at Dover

 

[MickiQ]

Anyway it's all OK because according to Chris Grayling those borders we were going to take back control of after Brexit aren't going to appear *anywhere*.

Grayling: No Brexit lorry checks at Dover

And here in lies the fundamental problem facing the government it doesn't really want to leave the EU but stay in and just ignore all the stuff it doesn't like.

 

[Winot]

And here in lies the fundamental problem facing the government it doesn't really want to leave the EU but stay in and just ignore all the stuff it doesn't like.

As someone said the other day (Luxembourg PM?) - the UK was in the EU for years but wanted loads of opt-outs; now it wants to leave but have loads of opt-ins.

 

[krtek a houby]

The attitude expressed in the brexit vote is resonant of centuries of anti Irish sentiment.

These days, I don't know about that. I think your average remainer/brexiter aren't particularly bothered about Ireland. I doubt it was first and foremost on their minds when casting the vote. The referendum was about the UK leaving the EU, not whether the peace process could be put in jeopardy.

 

[The39thStep]

Right on cue

Hopefully not the same Ireland that voted against the Lisbon Treaty

 

[philosophical]

These days, I don't know about that. I think your average remainer/brexiter aren't particularly bothered about Ireland. I doubt it was first and foremost on their minds when casting the vote. The referendum was about the UK leaving the EU, not whether the peace process could be put in jeopardy.

Yet the problem with the Irish border is turning out to be something brexiters ought to have had front and centre of their thinking, because without a solution brexiters are not going to get brexit.