Winot
I wholeheartedley agree with your viewpoint
If only there was some way in which abstainers could make sure they were counted.
Is Brexit actually going to happen?
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If only there was some way in which abstainers could make sure they were counted.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Kicked in the head by a horse.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
I disagree
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Life passed him by and unlike the good samaritan did not stop to help him
DexterTCN
Troy and Abed in the morning
I didn't dismiss anyone as ignorant.
philosophical
Well-Known Member
Goodness knows why so many here are dancing the Quadrille of vote counting. Brexit won, isn't the important bit the next stage?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
...and he's he's a savile worshipping paedo.
The more you learn the less...
The more you learn the less...
philosophical
Well-Known Member
Your point in quoting me being..........a mystery concealing an enigma hiding a vacuum containing nothing?
HoratioCuthbert
Deep seated inconsequence
Read on
philosophical
Well-Known Member
I assume you are saying that I am a saville worshiping paedo?
Originality not your strong point is it?
Are there no other abusive references you can throw my way?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
philosophical
Well-Known Member
I have to laugh, you telling me anything.
You could be right though, asking you a direct question has turned out to be pissing in the wind, which has a poetic appropriateness as you're all wind and piss anyway.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
philosophical
Well-Known Member
Part of the next stage being brexiters taking back control of the borders including the land border in Ireland. However you have not suggested any practical answer to that, instead spent the best part of the day demanding that I answer your question about nationalism and fascism. To be fair it worked as a diversion, however the post brexit realities now have to be faced and I have a sense that my original question is being answered right here and as they say, right now.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
philosophical
Well-Known Member
Not really. I have a dog in this fight for the reasons I explained yesterday, and the lack of any coherent suggestion from brexiters appals me as to the actions of those voters who utilised their vote without a plan for the border they intended to create. It has been going on long enough, and as well as the Tories, any left wing voting brexiters, or brexiters of any political persuasion have not suggested a border solution. I an especially appalled by those who purport to be from the left so eagerly joining with the Tories and worse, and it is not even mitigated by left wingers having a practical plan to compensate for the stupidity and distain from the right.
If you are suggesting that you are not bothered as part of 'anyone else' you reflect that distain as well.
However the bald fact is brexiters won, but now can't solve the problems they created, whatever political wing the statistics suggest they come from. A further irony is how eager brexiters are to point out the faults in the EU, but don't seem to want to acknowledge their own fault regarding the thoughtlessness over the border issue.
sealion
Conformity is the last refuge of the unimaginitive
More digs and projection
It's not down to the people who voted out to solve anything.
mojo pixy
...שלא נמצא בשמאל
There's way too much people not really knowing anything about the EU but wanting to be in it anyway.
I voted Remain because of the tory party being in govt. for the process, which I don't like at all. But like many others I'm becoming more and more glad that Leave won. I confess, I was one of them who voted first and then started to actually learn about the EU properly.
philosophical
Well-Known Member
I disagree, it is certainly down to the people who voted out to solve the problems they voted for. Who else, a fairy godmother?More digs and projection
mojo pixy
...שלא נמצא בשמאל
Have you ever heard the maxim that every problem is an opportunity? I'm guessing you're not a huge fan of that one
sealion
Conformity is the last refuge of the unimaginitive
How about politicians. The voters have done there bit. What are you and your fellow leavers doing about austerity within the eu ? A fairy godmother won't stop the debt.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
That's just a bizarre linkage. What have you get next for us, you are amazed at those who thought it was a good idea for United to buy back Paul Pogba didn't think about the Forth Rail Bridge disaster?
More importantly, you've just got it wrong in your interpretation about what the brexit vote was. Yes, clearly, it was going to at the very least pose questions about border arrangements - just as it was going to pose questions about much of our relationship with the rest of the world (diplomatic, economic etc). All pretty obvious. But a referendum isn't an exam paper where everyone needs to bring along their blueprints for the very things that they have no control over. People voted for/against brexit for complex reasons, on both sides. They were entirely rational reasons, reflecting their experiences over decades, their identity and all sorts of specifics. But you seem to take it that if someone didn't enter the voting booth with worked out scenarios on tax, borders or God knows what that they are idiots. Life just isn't like that - why would people have bloody worked out position papers on things that they are never consulted on and never have a say in - and still don't.
To take an example, the Northeast devolution referendum - I voted against it. I thought Labour were being cynical, detested them and thought John Prescott was a wanker - along with the fact the powers on offer were minimal. My vote was a bit of straight political schadenfreude. Does that mean I'm forever open to people whining at me for my short sightedness and making me personally responsible for the North-South divide. I'd say not. I made one of my rare forays into the voting booth (well, postal vote) and my vote represented a real thing, even if I hadn't given a moments thought to the minor representative role that some Labour hack Northeast Tzar would have wielded.
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NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
The UK government employs civil servants for this kind of stuff. It's not the fault of the voters that the government gave them inadequate time and insufficient means to prepare for a Brexit result.
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Supine
Newt Member
Have you ever heard the maxim that every problem is an opportunity? I'm guessing you're not a huge fan of that one
More a management buzz word rathter than a maxim. And it's bullshit designed to keep workers working on problems. If anything with brexit it's an opportunity to make the country worse at the hands of rabid right wing conservatives with a little support from left wing dreamers.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
And ukip
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