Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
If an EU citizen is married to a UK citizen, why are they worried?
Is Brexit actually going to happen?
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If an EU citizen is married to a UK citizen, why are they worried?
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
And Greece is now the land of milk & honey, yeah?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
yoghurt and honey i think you'll find
There is currently nothing in place to say what their status will be after Brexit. There are threads all over this site of people having spouses from outside the EU and the time, expense and stress that goes into trying to live with them in the UK.
As I say, it seems obvious that something will be resolved but I'm not them and its not my life that has so much uncertainty. One of them has started the wheels for British citizenship now and all that entails just for some certainty.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
enemy aliens
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
If you are married to a UK citizen and have been living in the UK there really will be no bar to staying in the UK and gaining UK citizenship. If they are worried though they really should be lobbying hard the leaders of their nation states to get them to tell the EU to pull their fingers out and end the uncertainty. Pressure from Merkel or Macron to stop fucking EU citizens about may have some affect on these psychos, probably not though, they seem very happy to use EU citizens as pawns in their games.
Sure, not knowing what form it'll take is the key here. You live in a country for years, you pay your taxes, you raise your kids, you play the game. Then they change the rules but won't tell you what they are.
Yeah, I'm not really taking sides on this one. Everyone is fucking with them for there own personal agenda. That being said I do think the issue of EU citizens should have been established a long time ago and its something the UK government could and should have done. They are the ones changing the rules the onus was really on them, the bollocks they offered up was pretty thin gruel.
Yossarian
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Citizenship is a long way from automatic for people from other countries married to British citizens, they need to spend several years and thousands of pounds jumping through a lot of hoops, with no guarantee of success at the end of it.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
The UK has been looking for reciprocal arrangements with the EU, but...
I think it is becoming more and more clear that whatever the UK government offer it will be snubbed. This whole 'we can't talk about this until we have made enough progress on that' shit, but never accepting that enough progress has been made is what we were told they would do and is exactly what they are doing.
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
What's your point?
My point was that greece rejected the EUs austerity with a threat to leave the union. The EU called their bluff and they had to crawl back and eat up their gruel.
The UK is not in the same state as Greece economically and is not having to take ECB terms to stay solvent - but on the issue of trying to gain concessions in the event of leaving the union, the position is the same -as is the EUs response.
Its Hotel California - Brussels style.
Yeah, my argument is this shouldn't have formed part of the negotiation. They could have made a proper statement up front and said 'this is what is going to happen'. It would have put them on the front foot from the word go, it was the UK government that's trying to tie everything into a trade agreement because they are so worried about the shit hand they hold. I dunno, none of this is to assuage the EU technocrats of their deplorable behavior but this can't be right.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Why on earth would the UK government accept your proposal, which seems to be 'suffer financially for a unknown period by leaving, or suffer financially forever by staying as the EU's bitch' ?
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
Yes. Id say that is exactly what is happening - and what many predicted would happen.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
The UK government has no choice but to tie it to a trade deal, they can hardly go back to the country and say that they have no trade deal but have gained a million Romanians. The EU know this too, which is why these so called negotiations are a sham and will fail.
Raheem
Well-Known Member
That's entirely dependent on whether an agreement is reached and what it is. I have a friend who is American. I'm not sure how long she has been in the country, but I have known her a few years. In a few years time, she will be entitled to apply for citizenship. At the moment, though, she is in a minimum wage job or thereabouts and her British husband was unemployed until recently. The rules are that they are not entitled to claim any state support, so he couldn't sign on, claim housing benefit or anything else.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Which is why many people wanted to be separated from the EU in the first place.
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
Its not my proposal. Im trying to work out what might happening. Im saying that a way for the UK to reverse brexit is what the Eu is pushing for - and that parts of the government may be coming to the conclusion that that is the least shit option.
National humiliation and humble pie - yes. (Dont know where you get "suffer financially forever" by staying in?)
The question is weather that's better or worse than crashing out and facing protracted recession and economic/political/social chaos.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
I don't know of this rule that says a UK citizen can not claim any state support if they are married to a non-UK citizen.
Raheem
Well-Known Member
She must be making it up, then.
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
i think the blame for that one lies at the EU's doorstep - May made overtures to the EU within weeks of becoming PM about sorting out a reciprical status agreement - they gave her the long finger.
even now they've made it as difficult as possible - the situation appears to both sides have got to the point where aggreement has been reached on who can stay where, but bizaarely the EU has decided that its red line for this issue is that the arbetor for any UK-EU agreement will be the ECJ. the UK would not accept a reciprical status agreement with the US where the final arbetor was the US Supreme Court, so why would the EU even consider putting a red line around it?
they then, to make matters even less likely to be resolved, bundles the status issue in with the money. if you wanted to doom something to failure, thats how you'd do it.
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
hobsons choice innit? Power blocs look after their own interests shock. Britain not a world power anymore shock.
I don't accept that. There could have been a graduated scheme of some description depending on how long you have been in the country. Those EU residents (nowhere near a million Romanians) are likely to stay anyway so why not put something in place? Certain sections of the electorate may not like it but that's the nature of divorce.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
It is not going to happen.
After Greece had to climb down the EU didn't steam in with any kind of rescue package for them, things are worse than ever there now and they will be for generations to come. Millions of people punished in perpetuity as a great big warning not to fuck. Well, we have fucked and unless we want a dose of the same we need to go through and make the best of the shit hand we have.
Its something she could have done anyway, because it was the right thing to do. Remember it is the UK that has changed the rules therefore the onus is on them. If the EU then set about stitching up UK citizens abroad then that's up to them, you can only control what you can do. Let's face it though they won't - whats in it for them on this one issue?
Yossarian
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Doesn't sound too far-fetched, there are all kinds of rules on minimum income requirements etc. for British citizens trying to sponsor foreign spouses - to cut immigration numbers, the government has deliberately been making it as difficult as they can.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
I'm aware of those rules, my very best mate Al is married to a Brazilian, Geo and that had a hard time as he was spuriously self-employed (mechanic, but like a Deliveroo contract type thing). But whilst this was going on their daughter went to school, they got housing benefit and child benefit, so am curious to hear that there is a rule that cuts you off from all state support the moment you say I do to a non-UK citizen.
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
But the Uk is not asking for rescue package. How - and why - would the EU punish the UK financially? The best outcome for them is the UK humiliated but still a major power within the EU bloc - and Id say there is a decent chance of that happening.
scifisam
feck! arse! girls! drink!
Unless the end situation treats EU spouses like spouses from elsewhere. Then there's an income requirement - and the income has to be earned by the British spouse and earned every year (a high-earning Japanese man was deported because his British wife was on maternity leave) - and the paperwork and applications cost thousands, which people with EU spouses won't have planned for - and there are usually restrictions on the non-uk partner's rights to work, claim benefits or travel out of the country. Apart from all that I guess they have nothing about though. Except fuck ups causing detention and deportation even if you do meet all those requirements.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Loss of rebate, increased payments, fewer subsidies; to put the boot in and make sure no one else dares step out of line again.
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
if May - or Corbyn - had unilaterally provided future security of status for EU citizens currently in the UK, they would have removed, at a stroke, the future security of status of UK citizens living in the EU. which doesn't sound like the right thing to do to me...
at the time there was lots of ho-ha about how such a move would be immediately recprocated, about how it would set the tone of the negotiations - sadly, have you seen anything in the conduct of the negotiations which suggests that 'play nice' was the EU's Plan A?
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