Is Brexit actually going to happen?

[pocketscience]

I missed the bit where you told me about something of value that you will export.

it's been explained to you. In the most basic terms as the value of labour, then as physical goods. You just huff and dismiss it. Yet you ask again.
Here, more of the same (all be it from a few years ago):

What are you trying to say? That the UK does'nt actually need to do all that business because it's in the EU?

 

[DexterTCN]

Did you even read that?

Gemstones and precious metals £12 billion?

Yeah...that'll be the fucking emerald mine down Yorkshire, aye? The gold mountains of Devon? £12 billion a year in precious metals and gemstones? Aye? Every year?

There are not £23 billion worth of UK cars in the world, never mind a year. Name a UK car! Then name a UK car, or 20 of them, or 200 of them, that can sell £23 billion a year? I'm not the one who needs a trolley. You think Rolls-Royce sell 76000 cars a year every year?

Also...7 years old. Worst google ever.

Just...fuck off. Honestly. You don't know what you're talking about.

 

[pocketscience]

There are not £23 billion worth of UK cars in the world, never mind a year.

Toyota and Volkswagen alone sold over $500 Billion worth of cars last year. What makes you think the UK cant make a measly £23 billion out of the automotive market?

 

[gosub]

Thats odd, coz I already told you the most exported car was the Nissan Qashqai,

77% of UK manufactured cars are exported. 1.25 million of them.

And while the the dollar has crept back up to pre referendum levels, the lower rates against the euro has made them more competetive

 

[pocketscience]

Just...fuck off. Honestly. You don't know what you're talking about.

Come on then, oh wise one. How does the UK generate cash today, being in the Eu, without exporting?

 

[pocketscience]

Gemstones and precious metals £12 billion?
Yeah...that'll be the fucking emerald mine down Yorkshire, aye? The gold mountains of Devon? £12 billion a year in precious metals and gemstones? Aye? Every year?

Never heard of Glencore? Billiton? Rio Tinto?..

 

[gosub]

Never heard of Glencore? Billiton? Rio Tinto?..

Between the pair of us he's talking shite cos either the Brits working for Japanese companies count or the Aussies asset stripping their country for UK companies do.

 

[pocketscience]

Between the pair of us he's talking shite cos either the Brits working for Japanese companies count or the Aussies asset stripping their country for UK companies do.

Exactly, Economies exploiting resources on a global scale.

 

[Raheem]

Did you even read that?

Gemstones and precious metals £12 billion?

Yeah...that'll be the fucking emerald mine down Yorkshire, aye? The gold mountains of Devon? £12 billion a year in precious metals and gemstones? Aye? Every year?

There are not £23 billion worth of UK cars in the world, never mind a year. Name a UK car! Then name a UK car, or 20 of them, or 200 of them, that can sell £23 billion a year? I'm not the one who needs a trolley. You think Rolls-Royce sell 76000 cars a year every year?

Also...7 years old. Worst google ever.

Just...fuck off. Honestly. You don't know what you're talking about.

What's your point here? That the diagram is just figures made up by an intern? Or something else?

 

[DexterTCN]

Thats odd, coz I already told you the most exported car was the Nissan Qashqai,

77% of UK manufactured cars are exported. 1.25 million of them.

And while the the dollar has crept back up to pre referendum levels, the lower rates against the euro has made them more competetive

Jaguar is Indian.
Toyota, Nissan and Honda are Japanese.
Vauxhall is American.
Minis are German.

None of those are UK exports, they are exports and sales from the UK but the profits do not stay in the UK, the control of them does not reside in the UK.

(Well...some profits may stay in the UK but only when the parent company wants to invest/buy up/consolidate other things such as smaller service/goods providers to their larger companies...those ancillary profits will still not stay in the UK)

 

[Supine]

Jaguar is Indian.
Toyota, Nissan and Honda are Japanese.
Vauxhall is American.
Minis are German.

None of those are UK exports, they are exports and sales from the UK but the profits do not stay in the UK, the control of them does not reside in the UK.

(Well...some profits may stay in the UK but only when the parent company wants to invest/buy up/consolidate other things such as smaller service/goods providers to their larger companies...those ancillary profits will still not stay in the UK)

The UK currently adds value to the supply chain during manufacture. If production starts moving to mainland Europe - and it will - we loose jobs and £.

 

[DexterTCN]

The UK currently adds value to the supply chain during manufacture. If production starts moving to mainland Europe - and it will - we loose jobs and £.

That is certainly one of the easiest consequences to reasonably predict. Markets will withdraw from the UK or extract a heavy price for keeping some of their business here.

 

[bemused]

That is certainly one of the easiest consequences to reasonably predict. Markets will withdraw from the UK or extract a heavy price for keeping some of their business here.

Isn't that the UKs lever with the EU - a reasonable deal stops the UK incentivising businesses to set up her by offsetting any barrier costs with the tax system?

 

[kabbes]

Jaguar is Indian.
Toyota, Nissan and Honda are Japanese.
Vauxhall is American.
Minis are German.

None of those are UK exports, they are exports and sales from the UK but the profits do not stay in the UK, the control of them does not reside in the UK.

(Well...some profits may stay in the UK but only when the parent company wants to invest/buy up/consolidate other things such as smaller service/goods providers to their larger companies...those ancillary profits will still not stay in the UK)

If you're going to play that game, you better add all the profits of globally operating UK companies like GlaxoSmithKline and BP and half of companies like Gencore and Shell to your UK "exports".

But no, that's not how exports work. Exports are the value of goods taken out of the country for sale elsewhere. Imports are the value of goods brought into the country. The manufacture of Nissan cars involves import of raw materials and intangible goods (like intellectual property) and the export of a car.

 

[andysays]

What will you sell (or trade) to any market, to any nation or state or entity, allowing access to the global market, that will keep a balanced and healthy economy?

Commemorative Brexit dinner services with pictures of the Queen, Churchill, Thatcher and Farage on them, obviously.

Because clearly absolutely no one in Britain is able to produce anything that anyone else in the world would want to buy, ever...

 

[pocketscience]

None of those are UK exports, they are exports and sales from the UK but the profits do not stay in the UK, the control of them does not reside in the UK.

It's irrelevant if the "profits do not stay in the UK". Let's take Dyson as an example then. His profits (after tax) "stay in the UK" - but more importantly they're actually "staying" in his pocket. Then he might spend all that money on imported goods for all that matters... your point is irrelevant.
In the example gosub gave, the profits listed are made within the UK and are therefore subject to UK taxes. TATA (Owner of JLR) might me an Indian registered company but as a public listed company, all the shareholders creaming off their profits could be British for all you know. Your point is still irrelevant

 

[gosub]

Jaguar is Indian.
Toyota, Nissan and Honda are Japanese.
Vauxhall is American.
Minis are German.

None of those are UK exports, they are exports and sales from the UK but the profits do not stay in the UK, the control of them does not reside in the UK.

(Well...some profits may stay in the UK but only when the parent company wants to invest/buy up/consolidate other things such as smaller service/goods providers to their larger companies...those ancillary profits will still not stay in the UK)

So we are a mining giant then, and oil and gas what with UK's Gasprom's massive fields in Russia..You can't have it both ways.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

18 months and 153 pages in this is quite a stunning run of batshit ignorance by DexterTCN, fair play!

 

[DexterTCN]

18 months and 153 pages in this is quite a stunning run of batshit ignorance by DexterTCN, fair play!

Awesome. Anyway I know you lot have a lot of work to support right-wing tory policy so I'll let you get on with it.

If you ever think of an export, let me know. If you find those 'british' cars, too. Could be a qashquai cash cow for you. And keep stealing those gems from the poor countries...never know when they'll come in handy. I think you'll probably be needing them.

 

[Raheem]

Awesome. Anyway I know you lot have a lot of work to support right-wing tory policy so I'll let you get on with it.

If you ever think of an export, let me know. If you find those 'british' cars, too. Could be a qashquai cash cow for you. And keep stealing those gems from the poor countries...never know when they'll come in handy. I think you'll probably be needing them.

Since we don't actually need exports, though, why should anyone care about this?

 

[free spirit]

Since we don't actually need exports, though, why should anyone care about this?

do we not?

Maybe if we didn't want to import anything that could work, but other than that it's a bit of an odd suggestion.

 

[Santino]

do we not?

Maybe if we didn't want to import anything that could work, but other than that it's a bit of an odd suggestion.

We don't export anything now, because of the EU.

 

[Raheem]

do we not?

Maybe if we didn't want to import anything that could work, but other than that it's a bit of an odd suggestion.

Yes, it's an odd suggestion, but read up the thread.

 

[free spirit]

Yes, it's an odd suggestion, but read up the thread.

ah. ok fair enough.

 

[SpackleFrog]

What kind of explanation would you like?

One where you act like a cunt playing to your audience? Or one where you discuss it?

Ok...

Inside the EU you really only have to import...other states deal with the exporting shit.

You think you could have a successful economy which imported things but did not export things? That is ridiculous it would not work.

 

[DexterTCN]

...You think you could have a successful economy which imported things but did not export things? That is ridiculous it would not work.

No, I didn't say that.

I said that inside the largest trading bloc in the world not all states have to be exporters, and britain certainly is not in any way an exporter, it's more um...a post-empire bottom-feeding fencer of stolen goods. Look at some of the examples people have given in the last few pages of uk exports. It's laughable...but still gets no scrutiny from anyone. (not just this lot, the people in charge too)

Britain isn't going to be in that bloc shortly...I asked 'what will now be traded'. Never got there, but next I would ask 'to whom' and then 'for how much and in which currencies'. This lot would argue that day is night, though. (as do the people in charge)

And in no way is britain a successful economy (which is the totality of goods, services, currency and the consumption and production of those things, I didn't say that to act smart, just to define what I'm talking about). It's propped up by expensive loans, lines of credit and lots of money coming in (but sadly going out again).

London* is a successful economy (as such/in ways), Scotland is. Wales and NI are not, England is not. That's not their fault, that's the way the centralised system has allowed it to become. That's purely the fault of the people in charge.

You don't just have to look after yourself, you come attached with unsuccessful and broken economies which have suffered from decades of lack of development and investment. Or worse you got that investment but at insane rates that you pay for decades. (people in charge again)

Now what you should have done was gotten an English parliament imo, not brexit. But meh.

*not only is london a massive economy within itself, it's nigh on a country within a country.

 

[gosub]

No, I didn't say that.

I said that inside the largest trading bloc in the world not all states have to be exporters, and britain certainly is not in any way an exporter, it's more um...a post-empire bottom-feeding fencer of stolen goods. Look at some of the examples people have given in the last few pages of uk exports. It's laughable...but still gets no scrutiny from anyone. (not just this lot, the people in charge too)

Britain isn't going to be in that bloc shortly...I asked 'what will now be traded'. Never got there, but next I would ask 'to whom' and then 'for how much and in which currencies'. This lot would argue that day is night, though. (as do the people in charge)

And in no way is britain a successful economy (which is the totality of goods, services, currency and the consumption and production of those things, I didn't say that to act smart, just to define what I'm talking about). It's propped up by expensive loans, lines of credit and lots of money coming in (but sadly going out again).

London* is a successful economy (as such/in ways), Scotland is. Wales and NI are not, England is not. That's not their fault, that's the way the centralised system has allowed it to become. That's purely the fault of the people in charge.

You don't just have to look after yourself, you come attached with unsuccessful and broken economies which have suffered from decades of lack of development and investment. Or worse you got that investment but at insane rates that you pay for decades. (people in charge again)

Now what you should have done was gotten an English parliament imo, not brexit. But meh.

*not only is london a massive economy within itself, it's nigh on a country within a country.

Dennis Healey's rule of holes.

 

[Pickman's model]

No, I didn't say that.

I said that inside the largest trading bloc in the world not all states have to be exporters, and britain certainly is not in any way an exporter, it's more um...a post-empire bottom-feeding fencer of stolen goods. Look at some of the examples people have given in the last few pages of uk exports. It's laughable...but still gets no scrutiny from anyone. (not just this lot, the people in charge too)

Britain isn't going to be in that bloc shortly...I asked 'what will now be traded'. Never got there, but next I would ask 'to whom' and then 'for how much and in which currencies'. This lot would argue that day is night, though. (as do the people in charge)

And in no way is britain a successful economy (which is the totality of goods, services, currency and the consumption and production of those things, I didn't say that to act smart, just to define what I'm talking about). It's propped up by expensive loans, lines of credit and lots of money coming in (but sadly going out again).

London* is a successful economy (as such/in ways), Scotland is. Wales and NI are not, England is not. That's not their fault, that's the way the centralised system has allowed it to become. That's purely the fault of the people in charge.

You don't just have to look after yourself, you come attached with unsuccessful and broken economies which have suffered from decades of lack of development and investment. Or worse you got that investment but at insane rates that you pay for decades. (people in charge again)

Now what you should have done was gotten an English parliament imo, not brexit. But meh.

*not only is london a massive economy within itself, it's nigh on a country within a country.

Yeh. We're leaving. Right.

 

[DexterTCN]

Nissan's new Qashqai smashes UK car production record | This is Money

‘Together with the pioneering first generation version, there are now more than 2.5million Qashqais on the road in Europe, making Nissan the undisputed leader in the crossover sector.’

 

[pocketscience]

Did you tell your German relative that you think that the majority of German individuals are deeply ingrained with multiple unsavoury traits including selfishness, being inconsiderate and being "crafty"?

Interesting article here in Der Spiegel today based on a study by psychologists from the Charite Hospital, Berlin.
All racism aside (these are German psychologists studying Germans, in Germany) there are some rather unsavoury traits coming up in their findings; namely that grandiose narcissism is at epidemic levels in Germany. Now you may or may not agree that this could lend some evidence to the statements I made earlier on the thread, but I'd be interested in knowing if you think these doctors/academics are also racist?

Edit:
Note: when they refer to NPD they mean Narcistic Personality Disorder not the nazi's.