Is Brexit actually going to happen?

[Kaka Tim]

Actually, I'm going to have dissent. There's nothing wrong with his hair per se. It's only in the context of the rest of his head that it looks awful.

yeah - would probably look fine on its original owner.

 

[SpackleFrog]

Actually, I'm going to have dissent. There's nothing wrong with his hair per se. It's only in the context of the rest of his head that it looks awful.

I'm sorry, you could put that hair on any head you wanted and it would still look fucking disgusting.

 

[Badgers]

That's um...an interesting site.

 

[teuchter]

Interesting article here in Der Spiegel today based on a study by psychologists from the Charite Hospital, Berlin.
All racism aside (these are German psychologists studying Germans, in Germany) there are some rather unsavoury traits coming up in their findings; namely that grandiose narcissism is at epidemic levels in Germany. Now you may or may not agree that this could lend some evidence to the statements I made earlier on the thread, but I'd be interested in knowing if you think these doctors/academics are also racist?

Edit:
Note: when they refer to NPD they mean Narcistic Personality Disorder not the nazi's.

The paper talks about an alleged narcissism epidemic in "modern western societies", not specifically in Germany. It does not set out to compare Germany with other countries; it looks at the differences between former east and west germans.

So, it does not support in any way the generalisations that you claim apply to the majority of Germans.

No, I don't think it's a racist paper. It doesn't make wide-ranging generalisations based on anecdote. It looks carefully at differences based on responses to a survey and considers whether any tendencies that might appear are statistically significant.

 

[DexterTCN]

The paper talks about an alleged narcissism epidemic in "modern western societies", not specifically in Germany. It does not set out to compare Germany with other countries; it looks at the differences between former east and west germans.

So, it does not support in any way the generalisations that you claim apply to the majority of Germans.

No, I don't think it's a racist paper. It doesn't make wide-ranging generalisations based on anecdote. It looks carefully at differences based on responses to a survey and considers whether any tendencies that might appear are statistically significant.

How does it compare to, say, the racism of the mail or express?

 

[teuchter]

How does it compare to, say, the racism of the mail or express?

Are you under the impression that I am talking about a newspaper?

 

[DexterTCN]

Are you under the impression that I am talking about a newspaper?

Only from your first two words.

e2a yes, genuinely thought it was

 

[pocketscience]

The paper talks about an alleged narcissism epidemic in "modern western societies", not specifically in Germany. It does not set out to compare Germany with other countries; it looks at the differences between former east and west germans.

So, it does not support in any way the generalisations that you claim apply to the majority of Germans.

But it does draw a conclusion that national cultures do influence specific (in this case unsavoury) traits.

No, I don't think it's a racist paper. It doesn't make wide-ranging generalisations based on anecdote. It looks carefully at differences based on responses to a survey and considers whether any tendencies that might appear are statistically significant.

I agree, drawing a conclusion from a snapshot survey of 2000 Germans is not racist - but, neither is drawing a conclusion from my half century of close, first hand experience.

 

[Kaka Tim]

christ - not this again.

 

[Kaka Tim]

anway BINO.

"Brexit in Name Only" would seem to be where May is heading - probably cos its the easyist, least painful option and is very much where business and finance and the civil service are pushing things.
Brexiteers understandably unhappy and now moving to oust her
Its also make the whole farrago (farage?) an exercise in utter pointlessness.

But what happens if may gets replaced with a brexiteer?

How much more fun can we take?

 

[pocketscience]

christ - not this again.

Soz, don't let me distract you from the sage like economic advice from dexter... carry on...

 

[bimble]

Just to help tie pocketscience 's work into the pressing issues of the day, here's something The Sun published today, about how you can now book your sun lounger on Thomas Cook Holidays. Look who they got to comment on why this is important.

 

[pocketscience]

Just to help tie pocketscience 's work into the pressing issues of the day, here's something The Sun published today, about how you can now book your sun lounger on Thomas Cook Holidays. Look who they got to comment on why this is important.
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Ellenbogengesellschaft

 

[Teaboy]

anway BINO.

"Brexit in Name Only" would seem to be where May is heading - probably cos its the easyist, least painful option and is very much where business and finance and the civil service are pushing things.
Brexiteers understandably unhappy and now moving to oust her
Its also make the whole farrago (farage?) an exercise in utter pointlessness.

But what happens if may gets replaced with a brexiteer?

How much more fun can we take?

But David Davies is pro-brexit, he is theoretically in charge of the negotiations. He's a man who's not scared of resigning, so if this is going as you describe why is he silent?

 

[Kaka Tim]

But David Davies is pro-brexit, he is theoretically in charge of the negotiations. He's a man who's not scared of resigning, so if this is going as you describe why is he silent?

you'd have to ask him yourself (tbh - i think Davies has thrown in the towel and is just going through the motions) . im just going on what been reported over the past few days. the hacks may all have it totally wrong - but the consensus is "brexiteers spitting dummies cos BINO".

 

[Kaka Tim]

Soz, don't let me distract you from the sage like economic advice from dexter... carry on...

Why don't you start your own thread where everyone can post up their favourite, quasi- racist, negative national stereotypes? Irish are thick. Greeks smell. germans are devious and selfish. that kind of thing.

 

[teuchter]

But it does draw a conclusion that national cultures do influence specific (in this case unsavoury) traits.

No it doesn't.

 

[SpookyFrank]

But David Davies is pro-brexit, he is theoretically in charge of the negotiations. He's a man who's not scared of resigning, so if this is going as you describe why is he silent?

Because by now he'll have heard from a thousand different people that hard brexit won't work. He knows that zero things have been done to ensure that all the stuff we delegate to the EU can magically be done in house by next year. He knows that the Irish situation has been kicked into the long grass but not actually resolved.

I personally think Davis is a fairly dim individual who has basically just blue-screened after being faced with the prospect of having some actual work to do.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Just to help tie pocketscience 's work into the pressing issues of the day, here's something The Sun published today, about how you can now book your sun lounger on Thomas Cook Holidays. Look who they got to comment on why this is important.
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They should've got Thomas Cook to reserve Poland back in '39. Would've saved all sorts of bother.

 

[teuchter]

I agree, drawing a conclusion from a snapshot survey of 2000 Germans is not racist - but, neither is drawing a conclusion from my half century of close, first hand experience.

By the way, seeing as you manage to draw inaccurate conclusions from (not properly) reading an academic paper, I have little trust in the objectivity of your conclusions drawn from your half century of selective observation.

 

[big eejit]

Brexit backing billionaire buys Maltese citizenship. Cos Brexit is only for the little people.

Major Brexit supporter obtains Maltese passport - FT

 

[sleaterkinney]

PM

"The formal directives [setting out the EU’s position on the Brexit transition] will be released this afternoon. This will be a negotiation and there will naturally be some distance in the detail of our starting positions."

Indeedy

 

[pocketscience]

By the way, seeing as you manage to draw inaccurate conclusions from (not properly) reading an academic paper, I have little trust in the objectivity of your conclusions drawn from your half century of selective observation.

wut? That's not the point here. I'm not trying to get you to agree with me on my conclusions. Your own subjectivity won't enable that.

By analyzing a large, heterogeneous community sample, we demonstrated that individuals from former West Germany have higher grandiose narcissism scores than individuals who grew up in former East Germany, in agreement with our hypothesis. In contrast to our hypothesis, individuals from former East Germany had higher self-esteem than individuals from former West Germany.

What you've just proven is that you're a hypocrite and have ignored the very basis of the study to try to score a political point in an underhand way - after jumping at any opportunity to label anyone who disagree's with you on brexit as a racist.
fuck it. doffs flat-cap to thread, grabs whippets and fucks off to the dales for a pint of bitter.
Tschüß!

 

[teuchter]

wut? That's not the point here. I'm not trying to get you to agree with me on my conclusions. Your own subjectivity won't enable that.

What you've just proven is that you're a hypocrite and have ignored the very basis of the study to try to score a political point in an underhand way - after jumping at any opportunity to label anyone who disagree's with you on brexit as a racist.
fuck it. doffs flat-cap to thread, grabs whippets and fucks off to the dales for a pint of bitter.
Tschüß!

You think what you've quoted tells us something about Germany as a nation, compared to others. It doesn't. It simply compares two subsets of the German population. It makes some comments about differences observed between those who've grown up under capitalist vs. quasi-communist regimes. It doesn't say anything about differences observed between capitalistic nations in western Europe. The differences it considers are those brought about by differences in political regime, not differences brought about by "national culture" as you claim.

Additionally, I don't jump to label "anyone who disagrees with me on Brexit" as a racist. I am fairly sure you're the only person on this thread who I've suggested has made racist comments. Furthemore I have said that I'm willing to consider that your comments were not made with racist intent but that the impression was given by badly chosen wording.

 

[gosub]

Why don't you start your own thread where everyone can post up their favourite, quasi- racist, negative national stereotypes? Irish are thick. Greeks smell. germans are devious and selfish. that kind of thing.

Germans gasing monkeys..

 

[bimble]

https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.n...224151/lexit_paper_finalONLINE.pdf?1517224151
^ just putting it here. Got it from a guardian article - the doc was published today by some Labour people who want to push for a very soft brexit, and say Corbyn should get off the fence.

 

[Horus Snacks]

Brexit backing billionaire buys Maltese citizenship. Cos Brexit is only for the little people.

Major Brexit supporter obtains Maltese passport - FT

 

[teuchter]

https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.n...224151/lexit_paper_finalONLINE.pdf?1517224151
^ just putting it here. Got it from a guardian article - the doc was published today by some Labour people who want to push for a very soft brexit, and say Corbyn should get off the fence.

Thanks for posting.

I found the section on renationalisation of particular interest.

I look forward to the thread's lexiteers' responses.

 

[pocketscience]

Thanks for posting.

I found the section on renationalisation of particular interest.

I look forward to the thread's lexiteers' responses.

It's no surprise to see Blairites back the idea of the 4th railway package is it? a neo-liberal framework for mandatory competitive tendering of public services.
Personally, I cant see how any effective nationalisation of the rail system would be workable with the enforced separation of train operations from infrastructure management and the threat of being taken to the european court if subsidies are used to protect the tax payers company.
Expecting a working nationalised rail industry in conjunction with the 4th railway package is like expecting Article 50 to be triggered and our leaving the Eu to go unchallenged.

And anyway, a quick google of Dr Andy Tarrent (the author) shows he's a EU Competition lawyer. Hmm... no conflict of interest there then.

 

[DexterTCN]

...And anyway, a quick google of Dr Andy Tarrent (the author) shows he's a EU Competition lawyer. Hmm... no conflict of interest there then.

Or you could have just read it.

Dr Andy Tarrant has a background in the telecoms industry, where he has worked in the public and private sector as an EU competition and regulatory lawyer. More recently he has been an advisor to Labour shadow ministers for pensions and for Europe. He currently works for a not-for-profit workplace pension provider.