Is Brexit actually going to happen?

[pocketscience]

Or you could have just read it.

Thanks Einstein. Missed that.
I did notice this line of his though - had to think of you

40% of UK exports to the EU involve products which are then exported from a partner-EU country to the rest of the world

 

[DotCommunist]

savage tooth abcess and associated painkillers here so I'm not up for reading the essays as yet. I'd be interested to see the nationalisation within an eu framework essay (there was lots of discussion around that one on here) but my initial snap judgement is yet another tedious labour right attempt to force the leadership into a solid position beyond 'jobs first brexit'. But I'll read it, when my jaw stops looking like desperate dans jaw. Can't say fairer than that etc

 

[DexterTCN]

Thanks Einstein. Missed that.
I did notice this line of his though - had to think of you

Should have just search for 'export'

First, there are the so-called “static” effects whereby fewer exports, a higher exchange rate, and lower foreign direct investment depress economic growth. These may accumulate over time – as leaving the EU means regulatory standards gradually diverge and make it harder for the exporters of vacuum cleaners, Welsh lamb or insurance products to sell in the European market. Second, over time trade also improves productivity – the amount we produce per hour. So-called “dynamic” effects also accumulate over time: so less trade leads to lower productivity and lower living standards.

. In 1945, UK manufacturing production was entirely domestic and its exports were orientated to a captive imperial market that was forced to buy British. At that time, the geographical coverage of a national monopoly mapped onto all the production sites of producers. In 2017, UK manufacturing and services are highly integrated into EU supply chains

The EU is, by some distance, the UK’s largest trading partner. In 2016, it was the destination for some 43% of UK exports in goods and services.57 This is the case for good reason. The Customs Union allows for trade in goods that is unencumbered by customs duties or rules of origin checks, while the Single Market ensures common product standards, health and safety regulations and consumer and environmental protections, and the right to deliver services across the continent.

For example, although they are important markets, Australia accounts for just 1.7% of UK exports, India 1.7%, Indonesia 0.2% and New Zealand 0.2%.

 

[teuchter]

It's no surprise to see Blairites back the idea of the 4th railway package is it? a neo-liberal framework for mandatory competitive tendering of public services.
Personally, I cant see how any effective nationalisation of the rail system would be workable with the enforced separation of train operations from infrastructure management and the threat of being taken to the european court if subsidies are used to protect the tax payers company.
Expecting a working nationalised rail industry in conjunction with the 4th railway package is like expecting Article 50 to be triggered and our leaving the Eu to go unchallenged.

Have you bothered to read what he says in his piece?

 

[pocketscience]

Have you bothered to read what he says in his piece?

I did. Cut to the chase.

 

[Raheem]

yet another tedious labour right attempt to force the leadership into a solid position beyond 'jobs first brexit'.

In fairness, the Labour leadership is unlikely to be forced into anything by a pamphlet.

 

[DexterTCN]

Does anyone else picture JRM in a uniform?

 

[Pickman's model]

Does anyone else picture JRM in a uniform?

yeh

 

[paolo]

Does anyone else picture JRM in a uniform?

The idea reminds me of Spitting Image, when they had Tebbit in a tank.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Does anyone else picture JRM in a uniform?

What a fucking demented thing to say, not least because of 'economic and financial' which is a bit like saying, this is gonna cost you and also you'll pay for it. With money.

Redwood has always given me the fear tbh. Got a serious 'demon headmaster' vibe going on.

 

[SpackleFrog]

What a fucking demented thing to say, not least because of 'economic and financial' which is a bit like saying, this is gonna cost you and also you'll pay for it. With money.

Redwood has always given me the fear tbh. Got a serious 'demon headmaster' vibe going on.

Nah mate Jack Straw is the demon head master.

 

[Doctor Carrot]

I've never seen Redwood, Straw or the Demon Head Master in the same room together...

 

[The39thStep]

New anti-Brexit party to be launched in UK with help from France
New anti-Brexit party to be launched in UK with help from France
Renew Britain - People from outside politics to renew Britain’s hope

 

[Pickman's model]

New anti-Brexit party to be launched in UK with help from France
New anti-Brexit party to be launched in UK with help from France
Renew Britain - People from outside politics to renew Britain’s hope

this will end well

 

[Pickman's model]

New anti-Brexit party to be launched in UK with help from France
New anti-Brexit party to be launched in UK with help from France
Renew Britain - People from outside politics to renew Britain’s hope

they've fucked up the name, it should be called cashback or something, renew's what you do with library books

 

[agricola]

I've never seen Redwood, Straw or the Demon Head Master in the same room together...

the darkness shrouds them all

 

[ska invita]

this will end well

this will end quickly

 

[agricola]

they've fucked up the name, it should be called cashback or something, renew's what you do with library books

given the quality of the people involved and the concious aping of Macron, it is an achievement that they haven't called this new party Market tbh

 

[Santino]

Rip-off merchants. I've been saying for years that Britain should be the innovation superpower to revolutionise opportunity.

 

[teuchter]

They also say they want to build social housing and increase taxes.

 

[Santino]

What they actually say is they will build houses and "make sure that many of these homes are ring fenced for social housing and for key workers in health, teaching and the emergency services".

 

[Santino]

"More can be done to implement existing EU rules such as repatriation of those who have not found work in a reasonable time frame."

 

[Santino]

"James Torrance is an accountant and London Business School MBA. He has worked in India, China and Northern Ireland and was a world champion in 2014 in competitive debating. He was the Kensington stop Brexit independent candidate in the last general election and his vote count was enough to ensure the Kensington Brexiter Conservative MP Victoria Borwick lost."

This is inspiring stuff!

 

[DotCommunist]

What they actually say is they will build houses and "make sure that many of these homes are ring fenced for social housing and for key workers in health, teaching and the emergency services".

the devil is as ever in the detail

 

[SpackleFrog]

"James Torrance is an accountant and London Business School MBA. He has worked in India, China and Northern Ireland and was a world champion in 2014 in competitive debating. He was the Kensington stop Brexit independent candidate in the last general election and his vote count was enough to ensure the Kensington Brexiter Conservative MP Victoria Borwick lost."

This is inspiring stuff!

Nothing to do with Corbyn or Labour then? All down to the plucky James Torrance...

 

[agricola]

Nothing to do with Corbyn or Labour then? All down to the plucky James Torrance...

... and his 393 votes. However it is good news for John Lloyd (Alliance for Green Socialism, 49 votes) and Peter Marshall (Independent, 98 votes) who also kicked out Borwick.

 

[DotCommunist]

sounds like a mass debater

 

[teuchter]

What they actually say is they will build houses and "make sure that many of these homes are ring fenced for social housing and for key workers in health, teaching and the emergency services".

Are you saying that there is a way of interpreting this as meaning they do not want to build social housing?

 

[Santino]

Are you saying that there is a way of interpreting this as meaning they do not want to build social housing?

Their rhetoric suggests that for them it would suffice to build lots of houses, some of which would be 'affordable' (sold at 80% of market value) or available on a part-buy scheme to certain workers. It certainly doesn't suggest that genuinely affordable houses available to rent would be built in large numbers.

What does it suggest to you?

 

[gosub]

That life's too short.