Is Brexit actually going to happen?

[Raheem]

It’s losing its culture and education? And its infrastructure, bar the nebulous idea that trading rights comprise “infrastructure”?

Well, yes Brexit presents real and obvious threats to British culture and education, variable depending on how things resolve themselves. But that wasn't really my point. If we leave the EU, the British economy will face new impediments in various regards. To point out that there may be some regards in which the impediments are lesser or even non-existent doesn't negate that, and also isn't really an insight.

 

[Raheem]

https://inews.co.uk/news/uk/mcvities-digestives-packs-shrink-rising-ingredient-costs/

Brexit really takes the biscuit.

 

[pogofish]

Sadly the Brexit ones are fake, but they are hilariously funny.

Fake or not, I now have a set in my possession!

As well as the Korolev centenary set:

 

[redsquirrel]

I can’t say I have much of an idea beyond the conventional history books. Reflecting on my childhood experience (statistically erase), the 70s in hindsight seemed fucked. We were investing in things better left to commerce (eg cars), and underinvesting in more important stuff (Rail).

I don’t think the 70s was a good time. Bad industrial relations, bad nationalisation. Strikes, power cuts, it wasn’t good.

So you seem to, by and large, concur with the consensus view that the British economy "was struggling". OK, but it was the 1970s when wages were highest as a % of GDP, it was in the mid-70s that the Gini coefficient was the lowest and that social mobility was at it's height.

Incidentally you say the strikes '[weren't] good" but the equality that was present in the 70s was brought about by those strikes.

It seems like more recently - last few decades - we’ve bounced the entirely wrong way.

So was the British economy better in the 90s/00s than the 70s in your opinion? A period where inequality reached the same level as at the beginning of the 20th century?

When you talk about things being bad for "the economy" what do you mean? Because the period that capital, politicians and the media talk about as being a period of economic difficulties had labour power at it's height.

 

[paolo]

So you think we're fucked outside the EU but you don't know anything about the time before our membership of EEC/EU and the advent of Thatcherism?

Two points:

My hunch is that we will be worse off. It’s just a hunch. Right now we don’t know. There’s some good commentaries on this thread about why I might be wrong. Power to them.

Point two: Unless you’re as decrepid as I am, fuck off with your ideas about what I grew up with.

 

[paolo]

So you seem to, by and large, concur with the consensus view that the British economy "was struggling". OK, but it was the 1970s when wages were highest as a % of GDP, it was in the mid-70s that the Gini coefficient was the lowest and that social mobility was at it's height.

Incidentally you say the strikes '[weren't] good" but the equality that was present in the 70s was brought about by those strikes.
So was the British economy better in the 90s/00s than the 70s in your opinion? A period where inequality reached the same level as at the beginning of the 20th century?

When you talk about things being bad for "the economy" what do you mean? Because the period that capital, politicians and the media talk about as being a period of economic difficulties had labour power at it's height.

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Ok, I’m now responsible for the last 40 years.

I’ll need some time to work the data.

 

[sleaterkinney]

We have different industries, technology etc than in the 70s, another thing that has changed is that supply lines are split across more countries now so throwing up more barriers has got to be a bad thing.

 

[toblerone3]

from the label of the first of the graphs "The era of Margareth" sounds like something out of the Lord of the Rings.

 

[paolo]

We have different industries, technology etc than in the 70s

Indeed. No truck with that.

 

[paolo]

So you seem to, by and large, concur with the consensus view that the British economy "was struggling". OK, but it was the 1970s when wages were highest as a % of GDP, it was in the mid-70s that the Gini coefficient was the lowest and that social mobility was at it's height.

Incidentally you say the strikes '[weren't] good" but the equality that was present in the 70s was brought about by those strikes.
So was the British economy better in the 90s/00s than the 70s in your opinion? A period where inequality reached the same level as at the beginning of the 20th century?

When you talk about things being bad for "the economy" what do you mean? Because the period that capital, politicians and the media talk about as being a period of economic difficulties had labour power at it's height.

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My comment about strikes was in the context of being a child. I was roughly 7 years old.

But my recollection is statistically irrelevant. I’ll look at your graphs. Numbers work better.

 

[SpackleFrog]

Brexit really takes the biscuit.

Whats the relevance of that story? The word Brexit literally doesn't appear on the page.

 

[SpackleFrog]

Two points:

My hunch is that we will be worse off. It’s just a hunch. Right now we don’t know. There’s some good commentaries on this thread about why I might be wrong. Power to them.

Point two: Unless you’re as decrepid as I am, fuck off with your ideas about what I grew up with.

I'm not decrepit at all, I just know a bit about 20th century history.

 

[Raheem]

Whats the relevance of that story? The word Brexit literally doesn't appear on the page.

Well, that's what you get for reading a link.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

For those who's main concern is mammon: EU Growth Protecting The UK From Brexit Shock, Says Jim O'Neill

 

[DexterTCN]

For those who's main concern is mammon: EU Growth Protecting The UK From Brexit Shock, Says Jim O'Neill

What are you saying?

The url says the uk is protected from the brexit shock

and it's a Tory peer.

the link says ...

"Speaking to the BBC ahead of the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, he also sounded the alarm on hard Brexit and pondered how much better the UK would be doing had it not opted for divorce."

and it's a Tory peer.

he says... “Now, my own view is if we go for a really hard Brexit or a no-deal Brexit, we’ll probably suffer more than that 3%."

and then says "But if it is only 3%,"

and it's a Tory peer.

Are you agreeing with it or disagreeing with it? And what are you agreeing or disagreeing with?

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

What are you saying?

The url says the uk is protected from the brexit shock

and it's a Tory peer.

the link says ...

"Speaking to the BBC ahead of the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, he also sounded the alarm on hard Brexit and pondered how much better the UK would be doing had it not opted for divorce."

and it's a Tory peer.

he says... “Now, my own view is if we go for a really hard Brexit or a no-deal Brexit, we’ll probably suffer more than that 3%."

and then says "But if it is only 3%,"

and it's a Tory peer.

Are you agreeing with it or disagreeing with it? And what are you agreeing or disagreeing with?

Very aggressive aren’t you.

He’s a staunch remainer who has a shitload more experience than you in dealing with the UK economy, the apparent threats to which seem to make you agitated, yet he is now saying that he believes the economic hit to the UK from Brexit will be a mere blip and not noticeable.

You can choose to ignore him if you wish, after all he’s saying what many leavers have been saying from the start, Brexit is not the economic suicide that the Guardian wallies say it is, and to those such as yourself who’s biggest bug bear over Brexit is the apparent threat to your own lifestyle, what this man is saying doesn’t fit the narrative.

 

[DexterTCN]

Very aggressive aren’t you.

He’s a staunch remainer who has a shitload more experience than you

 

[sealion]

What are you saying?

The url says the uk is protected from the brexit shock

and it's a Tory peer.

the link says ...

"Speaking to the BBC ahead of the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, he also sounded the alarm on hard Brexit and pondered how much better the UK would be doing had it not opted for divorce."

and it's a Tory peer.

he says... “Now, my own view is if we go for a really hard Brexit or a no-deal Brexit, we’ll probably suffer more than that 3%."

and then says "But if it is only 3%,"

and it's a Tory peer.

Are you agreeing with it or disagreeing with it? And what are you agreeing or disagreeing with?

Another Tory peer for you
Parliamentary fightback against Brexit on cards

 

[DexterTCN]

I don't give a fuck who he is...I was just asking what you were saying.

...You can choose to ignore him if you wish...

the tory peer, right? The tory who I presume (not entirely au fait,) being a peer, is from the house of lords?

You're saying I should listen to the tory peer?

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

He’s also an ex-banker. A total shitcunt.

But when it comes to the UK economy that you hold so dear, he is one of the fuckers that runs it, so yeah, you should listen to him.

 

[DexterTCN]

He’s also an ex-banker. A total shitcunt.

But when it comes to the UK economy that you hold so dear, he is one of the fuckers that runs it, so yeah, you should listen to him.

I don't care about the UK economy mate, I'm Scottish, which means I don't listen to tories either, and if someone posts a link to them I'll give it a critical eye. But brexit has a (large) effect here too.

You're the one who suggested plastic titties, I think, when I asked what you would trade? Ever come up with something better?

Where we going?

 

[sleaterkinney]

I don't give a fuck who he is...I was just asking what you were saying.

the tory peer, right? The tory who I presume (not entirely au fait,) being a peer, is from the house of lords?

You're saying I should listen to the tory peer?

But you must totally agree with him, right, because he's a remainer?

Defend him!!!

 

[bemused]

It does feel like Labour and Tories are seeing who will blink first in terms of 2nd referendum. I wouldn't be surprised if one happens and the World can laugh at us when we vote to stay. I could be wrong.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

I don't care about the UK economy mate, I'm Scottish, which means I don't listen to tories either, and if someone posts a link to them I'll give it a critical eye. But brexit has a (large) effect here too.

You're the one who suggested plastic titties, I think, when I asked what you would trade? Ever come up with something better?

Where we going?

The Scotland that voted to stay in the UK? The Scotland that let the Conservatives take SNP
seats last year?

You’re idiotic questioning about what would various people on these boards trade got the response it deserved.

You make out you don’t like the Tories but at the slightest whiff of a threat to your cushy lifestyle you bemoan the fact that Cameron isn’t still in Downing St and unassailable.

 

[DexterTCN]

The Scotland that voted to stay in the UK? The Scotland that let the Conservatives take SNP
seats last year?

You’re idiotic questioning about what would various people on these boards trade got the response it deserved.

You make out you don’t like the Tories but at the slightest whiff of a threat to your cushy lifestyle you bemoan the fact that Cameron isn’t still in Downing St and unassailable.

Lol...ok going there.

Relative.

 

[NoXion]

I don't care about the UK economy mate, I'm Scottish, which means I don't listen to tories either, and if someone posts a link to them I'll give it a critical eye. But brexit has a (large) effect here too.

You're the one who suggested plastic titties, I think, when I asked what you would trade? Ever come up with something better?

Where we going?

If you don't care about the UK economy, then why the fuck are you getting so worked up about Brexit's supposed effects on it?

 

[DexterTCN]

If you don't care about the UK economy, then why the fuck are you getting so worked up about Brexit's supposed effects on it?

Worked up?

Tell me an export?

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Worked up?

Tell me an export?

McEwans? Time to lay off it perhaps.

 

[NoXion]

Worked up?

Tell me an export?

I'll give you ten: https://realbusiness.co.uk/any-other-business/2016/03/28/the-top-ten-uk-exports-in-2016/

 

[DexterTCN]

I'll give you ten: https://realbusiness.co.uk/any-other-business/2016/03/28/the-top-ten-uk-exports-in-2016/

Cars?

UK makes loads of cars aye? Which ones?

Art? Art?

£4 billion pounds worth of medical devices? £4 billion pounds? Well....rulers of the world economy there then eh. Let's not google chewing gum. £4 billion....fuck me...never have I seen the likes.