Is Brexit actually going to happen?

[Yossarian]

Do you know who UNITY are, Yossarian?

Never heard of them before, apparently they're a pro-hard Brexit group that started up in Scotland last month with social media campaigns etc. Big fans of Winston Churchill, and not of Tony Blair, Nicola Sturgeon, Theresa May, the "toff-elite," and so on. Looking a little closer, it's not entirely clear whether the group consists of more than one person.

"On Friday the 24th of November, Unity attempted to confront the EU elites directly at the EU commission office in Edinburgh. Sadly, they refused to answer the door to our calls. Their hide-away attitude reflects their unwillingness to confront ordinary working people."

Unity

 

[Winot]

Ah yes Winston Churchill, well known scourge of the toff elite.

 

[gosub]

Ah yes Winston Churchill, well known scourge of the toff elite.

wot Lord Halifax? and forcing Edward VIII to abdicate is pretty good credentials

 

[MightyTibberton]

I see Boris Johnson is now joining in this growing narrative of “brexit may not happen because the nasty neoliberal elite are going all out to stop it” sort of thing. Well known arch remainers, Blair, Heseltine etc have always suggested brexit might not happen but now Farage & Johnson are jumping on the bandwagon. I don’t think leavers are going to be taking to the streets & burning things if leave does get watered down to remain in all but name so what is going on here? Is everybody starting to wish brexit would just go away?.. adjusts deckchair & opens another bag of popcorn...

"Friends of..."

Boris Johnson would 'rather stay in' the EU than accept a soft Brexit

Not that it really matters what Johnson tells the Sun political editor through "friends" what he wants us to believe he thinks, he's only interested in his own personal gain: a record of years of staunch EU support (including supporting Turkey joining!) who campaigned for Leave, now he's in a position where he might have to take responsibility for something he's cacking himself. You know the sneering argument thrown at communists when they insist that the Soviet Union wasn't actually a Marxist state? Prepare for years of "it wasn't the right sort of Brexit" from the winners of this!

 

[MightyTibberton]

May faces tougher transition stance from EU amid Norway pressure

Quite a detailed run down of various issues in the talks here.

 

[SpackleFrog]

I understand that Turkey is in a customs union with the EU without being in the actual customs union of the EU. And after that it all gets rather technical for me... Reportedly Ken Clarke thought it meant retaining the free trade agreements we currently have via the EU.

Quite a lot of countries that aren't member states within the EU operate within structures that require them to adhere to EU rules and regs. This is particularly true since further enlargement became politically unpopular, so now the EU uses its 'Neighbourhood' ( European Neighbourhood Policy - Wikipedia ) policies to get countries in Eastern Europe and elsewhere to conform to their neoliberal trade regulations.

So yeah, there is no need for ripping up contracts etc as you seem to think, and what will happen is some sort of Norway type status.

 

[MightyTibberton]

'Ripping up contracts' is David Davis and in the event of a No Deal Brexit.

 

[ViolentPanda]

You seem to think that the government are competent, honest, and primarilly interested in the public good, Pickman.

He's a sweet lad, but hopelessly naive.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Quite apart from any notions of "fairness" or "reasonableness" the simple weight of numbers favours the 27. These negotiations are confrontational and they are by far the biggest guy in the room. What did anyone expect?

Davis, Fox and Johnson appear to all have expected to be fellated. Davis and Johnson by "Euro-lovelies", and Fox by Adam Werrity.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I tried Yorkshire tea once, but despite the name it's neither bitter nor cheap.

Thank you for a much-needed laugh.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I don't think it should be considered controversial or condescending to say that we don't have an enormously politically engaged electorate with a fantastically sophisticated popular political culture. Politics is a bit of fringe interest, and to be interested to the point where you're discussing it on the likes of Urban 75...!

It is sad that the very nature of that fucking referendum has encouraged a lot of binary and broad-brush reaction but it's not too surprising.

It certainly does flow both ways. The people who disrupted Sadiq Khan's speech yesterday were described as pro-Brexit, and they brought along a model of a bloody gallows. 'Traitors', 'enemies of the people', 'pick up a rifle', 'ready for war'... and this Isn't from someone on some message board, it's on newspaper front pages and from political parties. Perhaps it'll wind down in time... but even yesterday I heard a pro-Brexit Tory MP say he thought that a second referendum would 'render the country ungovernable'! So maybe not...

Shades of "the stab in the back" that the German right fulminated about after the Versailles treaty was signed in 1919. Just waiting for Freikorps Free Corps Hannan to be formed.

 

[ViolentPanda]

A poll by Comres (I can't do links on this machine! Sorry!) In the last week of the campaign found that immigration was the most important issue for the majority of Leave supporters. Doesn't make all those people racists of course, but I saw a huge amount of anti-Muslim propaganda on Facebook during the campaign. Yet more fun problems of fitting a mash of hugely complex issues into a one-question vote!

Don't mix beer and cider! Yoiks

Load of bollocks.

Stout and cider mixed, is a fine drink...for the first four pints.

 

[DotCommunist]

its the grape and the grain that should never be mixed. Never.

 

[ViolentPanda]

A newspaper is an inanimate object.

Many Guardianistas do however seem exceedingly uncomfortable in the company of anyone who is ‘other’.

Not true.

They're exceedingly uncomfortable in the company of anyone who is in an "othered" group that Guardian readers haven't been told to approve of, by the Guardian.

 

[ViolentPanda]

its the grape and the grain that should never be mixed. Never.

Quite. I once drank a glass of red wine after 10 pints of cider. Puked my arse up out of my throat, I did!

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Quite. I once drank a glass of red wine after 10 pints of cider. Puked my arse up out of my throat, I did!

Your cider’s made with grain? No wonder you was ill.


fwiw Beer then wine and you’ll feel fine, wine then beer and you’ll feel queer

 

[MightyTibberton]

Your cider’s made with grain? No wonder you was ill.


fwiw Beer then wine and you’ll feel fine, wine then beer and you’ll fell queer

Someone once told me that there's a German version of that saying that advises the exact opposite Safe Drinking Order - perhaps this is what Brexit is really about.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Someone once told me that there's a German version of that saying that advises the exact opposite Safe Drinking Order - perhaps this is what Brexit is really about.

Tis why yer German is so stroppy, savage hangovers

 

[MightyTibberton]

I saw a programme on TV once (I think it might have been Jonathan Meades (sp?)) that argued there was a sort of cultural divide in Europe that was along a border between daily wine and daily beer drinkers - it's about the middle of Belgium, iirc. No mention of the cider-crazed yobbos of the British Isles.

 

[MightyTibberton]

Back on Brexit and whether or not it will happen, there's a conspiracy theory going around on Twitter that Nige's change of tune on wanting a second vote is related to today's subpoena of Steve Bannon.

It's been reported today but apparently it happened last week, when Nige did his 180. Bannon ran pro-Brexit Breitbart, and Cambridge Analytica, who were Leave's digital secret weapon (with some funny stuff going on around payments too). Bannon has also recently visited the UK and met with Jacob Rees Mogg.

 

[pocketscience]

Someone once told me that there's a German version of that saying that advises the exact opposite Safe Drinking Order - perhaps this is what Brexit is really about.

Not true. The german version is the same.
Wein auf Beer, rate ich dir - Beer auf Wein, lass das sein.

 

[sealion]

there's a conspiracy theory going around on Twitter

As rare as rocking horse shit

 

[MightyTibberton]

Not true. The german version is the same.
Wein auf Beer, rate ich dir - Beer auf Wein, lass das sein.

Ah! Apologies. Google has given me a Dutch bloke saying they say it the opposite way round, and a few people quoting the UK version the opposite way to what I - and apparently everyone here - thought was the "correct" way! Also mention of Spanish and French versions that don't all agree on the Safe Drinking Order.

As rare as rocking horse shit

Indeed. This is one of the less outlandish ones though. I did make the mistake of reading - and sharing here I'm sorry to say - some Louise Mensch stuff a while back, but I've learned from that mistake (she is playing some strange game I reckon!). It would be as funny as fuck If Farage got dragged into TrumpRussiaGate though. He was named as a "person of interest" by the FBI iirc, whatever that means in practical terms - he's certainly close with Bannon if he was willing to go all the way to Alabama to campaign for a deranged Christian fundamentalist (alleged) serial sexual abuser who would give even UKIP palpitations over here.

 

[DotCommunist]

Reverse vampires, in association with the bannonites who are guided by Wendi Deng Murdoch who is manipulating Kushner on behalf of the Chinese State....open your eyes people

 

[MightyTibberton]

Reverse vampires, in association with the bannonites who are guided by Wendi Deng Murdoch who is manipulating Kushner on behalf of the Chinese State....open your eyes people

I thought Wendi was going to be the Prince Harry shock engagement announcement. She's certainly very well connected.

 

[sealion]

Ah! Apologies. Google has given me a Dutch bloke saying they say it the opposite way round, and a few people quoting the UK version the opposite way to what I - and apparently everyone here - thought was the "correct" way! Also mention of Spanish and French versions that don't all agree on the Safe Drinking Order.



Indeed. This is one of the less outlandish ones though. I did make the mistake of reading - and sharing here I'm sorry to say - some Louise Mensch stuff a while back, but I've learned from that mistake (she is playing some strange game I reckon!). It would be as funny as fuck If Farage got dragged into TrumpRussiaGate though. He was named as a "person of interest" by the FBI iirc, whatever that means in practical terms - he's certainly close with Bannon if he was willing to go all the way to Alabama to campaign for a deranged Christian fundamentalist (alleged) serial sexual abuser who would give even UKIP palpitations over here.

I really couldn't give a shit

 

[MightyTibberton]

'We tried to warn him...!'

I once stood next to a young man at a pub bar while he ordered a red wine with coke in a pint glass with a straw!

Can't tell you if he had a hangover or not but I would bet he probably had a lively night!

 

[sealion]

Wages would rise in the event of a Brexit, Lord Rose admits

 

[Kaka Tim]

Wages would rise in the event of a Brexit, Lord Rose admits

article is two years old.

 

[sealion]

article is two years old.

He still said it.