Is Brexit actually going to happen?

[SaskiaJayne]

Pubs used to refuse to serve cider/bitter mix in same pint pot due to issues of extreme drunkeness among heavy users of this cocktail.

 

[sealion]

Of people I know that voted leave. Broadly their reasons were to stop us being ruled by The EU. To stop immigration for which they blame the crisis in the NHS & the housing crisis. None of them even considered trade & still don’t. You can call it an ideology. They voted leave & they want to leave. Listen to LBC & local radio phone ins. The leavers mostly have this anger in them. When questioned about trade they don’t really seem to care. They gloss over the nuts & bolts of actually leaving. Their worry now seems to be that they are being shafted by the government & that in the end we won’t actually leave.

If the above seems vague then it is. It’s not really a conclusion. Just an overall impression.

Stop listening to James Liberal as fuck o'brien and his hand picked goons that phone in. He won't have anyone on that has a decent arguement, just irate Dave from Essex! I don't believe half the stuff you write on here, it's just regurgitated soundbites from shitty liberal phone ins with a few anecdotes thrown in.

 

[MightyTibberton]

I reckon that whoever is in charge there will be quite a big economic shock from Brexit. If it's a No Deal one then even bigger.

If it's a Tory gov it's easy to see them going full disaster-capitalist on remaining public services. If it's Corbynite Labour it's easy to see them struggling to get their programme up and working, presumably against massive press and business opposition.

I find No Deal scenarios quite scary.

 

[sealion]

On LBC just now. Talking about whether Labour should be in favour of staying in single market & customs union. Caller saying he voted leave & “would crawl over broken glass to leave again” he said yes we should leave single market/customs union & let the government get the best deal possible. He couldn’t explain it any further than that. I doubt he cares about anything except leaving the EU. I think many leave voters just want their choice respected. That comes before anything else. They voted leave to stop paying into the EU & to stop immigration. Anything less than that & they will feel cheated.

 

[William of Walworth]

Nothing wrong with snakebite

I promise you that we weren't drinking that Just harmless local ale** and harmless local scrumpy** whose maker we know personally ... and we drank the two seperately from each other!!

**Well, harmless except for the quantity anyway

 

[William of Walworth]

Have a double diamond

You're on a wind up now!

 

[sealion]

Just harmless local ale

It harmed you lastnight mate

 

[William of Walworth]

I know, I've edited the post above to say so

 

[William of Walworth]

Anyway, I've real, proper, better thought-out stuff to say about Brexit, but I'd prefer to leave posting it until after today.

festivaldeb will be back in a minute and we're going out ...

 

[MightyTibberton]

Snakebite pernod and black was the sophisticated drink when I was a young drinking man.

 

[Winot]

Whether “things will get worse” after brexit is probably more down to which UK government is elected at next GE rather than brexit itself.

That might well be true, but it cuts both ways. National governments get voted out, but Brexit is for life. Accordingly it’s illogical to vote for Brexit if the advantages are dependent on having a Labour government.

 

[sealion]

but Brexit is for life.

Who says that ?

 

[SaskiaJayne]

Stop listening to James Liberal as fuck o'brien and his hand picked goons that phone in. He won't have anyone on that has a decent arguement, just irate Dave from Essex! I don't believe half the stuff you write on here, it's just regurgitated soundbites from shitty liberal phone ins with a few anecdotes thrown in.

If you listen to phone ins you get people’s opinions. Same as if you read the internet or any form of media outlet both UK & foreign. Where does one get unbiased opinion? You tell me. I read/listen to anything I find from any source. Some of it I post it on here on the relevant thread to see what posters on here think about it. Thankyou for your opinion.

 

[sealion]

If you listen to phone ins you get people’s opinions. Same as if you read the internet or any form of media outlet both UK & foreign. Where does one get unbiased opinion? You tell me. I read/listen to anything I find from any source. Some of it I post it on here on the relevant thread to see what posters on here think about it. Thankyou for your opinion.

You don't get to hear peoples opinions on Lbc unless they are from a sneering middle class liberal. O'brien in particular ties people in knots and then patronizes and belittles them. Wheres the debate there ? There is plenty of stuff out there but you choose and quote from what you hear on lbc and the 'fackin' Essex bods you apparantly talk to. Hardly a broad church is it.

 

[bemused]

You don't get to hear peoples opinions on Lbc unless they are from a sneering middle class liberal. O'brien in particular ties people in knots and then patronizes and belittles them. Wheres the debate there ? There is plenty of stuff out there but you choose and quote from what you hear on lbc and the 'fackin' Essex bods you apparantly talk to. Hardly a broad church is it.

I stopped listening to LBC because of O'Brien.

 

[bemused]

Who says that ?

No one.

 

[sealion]

I stopped listening to LBC because of O'Brien.

Same here! He is a boring, predictable,wet sap. No debate just snobbery and regular apologies from him for being privileged.

 

[DotCommunist]

last time I tuned into a talk radio they had some formerly disgraced drug cheat olypian on discussing his new book, some dude rings in and gives it both barrels finishing with 'I'M GONNA BUY YOU BOOK AND BURN IT!'
'Yeah mate, its all money to me'

that was quite enough of that and I moved the dial away from the talk and back to the songs

 

[xenon]

I stopped listening to LBC because of O'Brien.

Nah he's alright. Self confessed liberal and makes a fucking change from Farage and tory boy tosspots.

 

[xenon]

But yeah, politics phone in shows are not broadly representative. You get wingnuts, Mr angry or boring single issue types too much for that.

 

[sealion]

Self confessed liberal

But is he ? Self appointed maybe and well paid for it. There is no balance in his debates just handringing. Boring as ,,,,,

 

[Winot]

Who says that ?

You’re right, we could go back in. Doesn’t seem likely though as we’d probably lose all the concessions that we’d negotiated over the years.

In any event in terms of timescales we change governments far more often and more easily. What I’m really saying is that it’s a bad idea to base your decision to Brexit on the basis that a more left wing government might get in.

 

[DotCommunist]

the lexit position always assumed the 'opening up of space' thing to be an off hand, secondary who-knows speculate thing. It was the point picked up on and relentlessly mocked though, wasn't it. And fuck me if the labour left didn't rise from the ashes while europes former social democratic parties crumble unto dust and macron. Funny old world. One thing we can all agree on, that was a bad call by T. May.

 

[sealion]

When i lived in London i was surrounded by these liberal types. They were oh so liberal but wouldn't let there kids knock about with "those black kids" or the ones from the " estates" My son went to school with there kids and was regularly shocked by there veiled racism and ignorance. He punched one of them for it and the parents threatened us with the old bill, I told the father that his son explained to my son, that he wasn't allowed by you to mix with blacks and chavs, he slammed the door on me

 

[xenon]

But is he ? Self appointed maybe and well paid for it. There is no balance in his debates just handringing. Boring as ,,,,,

He talks about stuff no one else seems to on radio. And doesn't let people off the hook. I can see how he might wind some up. He does sometimes over do it with seeming faux naivety, cossitted lifestyle and bit too much middle class self fladgulating thing... But fuck it, I like him. And As for taking people apart, good. If someone phones up with a load of half baked crap, why not call them out on it.

 

[teuchter]

When i lived in London i was surrounded by these liberal types. They were oh so liberal but wouldn't let there kids knock about with "those black kids" or the ones from the " estates" My son went to school with there kids and was regularly shocked by there veiled racism and ignorance. He punched one of them for it and the parents threatened us with the old bill, I told the father that his son explained to my son, that he wasn't allowed by you to mix with blacks and chavs, he slammed the door on me

So someone you decided to categorise as a "liberal type" failed outright to fit in that category

 

[alex_]

When i lived in London i was surrounded by these liberal types. They were oh so liberal but wouldn't let there kids knock about with "those black kids" or the ones from the " estates" My son went to school with there kids and was regularly shocked by there veiled racism and ignorance. He punched one of them for it and the parents threatened us with the old bill, I told the father that his son explained to my son, that he wasn't allowed by you to mix with blacks and chavs, he slammed the door on me

They aren’t “liberal types” they are “cunts”

Alex

 

[Kaka Tim]

Snakebite pernod and black was the sophisticated drink when I was a young drinking man.

ah - the purple nasty.

 

[sealion]

So someone you decided to categorise as a "liberal type"

No they sing the virtues of how liberal thay all are. I know them you don't. They are racist and don't even know it.

 

[sealion]

He talks about stuff no one else seems to on radio. And doesn't let people off the hook.

It's all contrived shit with no substance. He doesn't want debate just handwringing and ' i told you so' callers/ debate. I've never heard a phone in by him on the benefits of brexit, just why did you vote leave type of stuff. It's very circular and repetetive but serves his ego/image well.

He does sometimes over do it with seeming faux naivety, cossitted lifestyle and bit too much middle class self fladgulating thing..

Just a little!

And As for taking people apart, good. If someone phones up with a load of half baked crap, why not call them out on it.

I've heard some good reasons put forward by callers and he just turns on them. Implying thet are racist and ill informed. That's his mo and it won't change.