pocketscience
Well-Known Member
Got a link to that? Comedy ask.
So basically not interested in a trade deal...
Is Brexit actually going to happen?
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So basically not interested in a trade deal...
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
You got evidence of the bolded part? I mean I think it's probably pretty accurate (the Tory+UKIP vote in safe Labour seats is often pretty constant over the last 3 elections) but I've not seen any actual data that has directly shown it.
But even if we accept that it doesn't alter the fact that bemused was talking nonsense, the movement (back) to the Conservatives of former UKIP voters was a significant cause of the formers increased vote. It also means that any dropping off from Brexit by the Tories opens up space on their flank to UKIP.
SaskiaJayne
Rural Guerrilla
Loads about it if you google here It's time to recognise the truth – a trade deal with India means concessions on immigration for example. They are going to want consessions on immigration for any deal to happen.
pocketscience
Well-Known Member
that whole article is based on one quote from Modi:
Even Indian negotiators wouldn't be so stupid to expect anything more than a visa quota increase for any FTA. They have a 1.25bn population ffs. total nonsense.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Always shows the hidden swamped with a different culture of much of anti-brexit thought.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
The world stops and the borders start where the EU says. That's internationalism.
SaskiaJayne
Rural Guerrilla
It has long annoyed the UK Asian community that they cannot easily bring in people to do lower paid jobs in their businesses & also family members. In any trade deal that will be an issue.
pocketscience
Well-Known Member
That's not freedom of movement though is it. Using the FoM phrase for a potential Indian trade agreement on a brexit thread where we all know exactly what Freedom of Movement implies (Eu context) is misleading at best.
SaskiaJayne
Rural Guerrilla
Look at it in the context that the leave voters never getting the brexit they want as I was alluding to earlier. Business in this country is addicted to cheap migrant labour. If they cannot get cheap labour from Europe they will get it elsewhere. The right wing hard brexiteers want a low tax cheap labour economy. If trade deals are made with rest of world they will be happy to bring in as many migrants as they need to replace the European migrants.
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
Yep - Its pretty clear that brexit will NOT mean an end, or even a reduction, in the numbers of foreign workers - the anti-immigrant faction of the brexit vote were sold a pup on that score.
pocketscience
Well-Known Member
'Bring in' - FoM implies 'let in'.
SaskiaJayne
Rural Guerrilla
I think you are splitting hairs. A good amount of EU migrant workers are “brought in” through labour agencies to do specific work from farms to Sports Direct. If you live in a leave area like me listen to leave voters around you or listen to local radio phone ins. They blame everything from NHS waiting lists to the housing shortage on migration. Some of the phone in callers get so racist they get cut off. The racists did not become racist overnight. Decades ago they were railing against migration from the Indian subcontinent. The narrative was the same then “send ‘em home”. The leavers will tell you they voted to end Europe “making our laws” & to end migration & control our borders. I don’t know what percentage overall voted leave for that reason but theres an awful lot around my way. They are well pissed off with the arrogance of the EU as they see it & they are absolutely happy with their leave vote decision. However brexit ends up it will not be the brexit they voted for.
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pocketscience
Well-Known Member
I'm not splitting hairs. The implications of the point you made that a trade deal with india could lead to freedom of movement is ludicrous. So, pedantic maybe (depending how much you believe it could happen) but it's not splitting hairs.
How many Indians do you think would roll up to the UK in the first year after this 'freedom of movement' based trade deal?
Raheem
Well-Known Member
It's going to be however many are permitted, isn't it?
gosub
~#
No its not splitting hairs its visas issued mainly to companies strictly limiting numbers as opposed freedom of movement as we understand it in a EUropean context
mojo pixy
...שלא נמצא בשמאל
On the other hand, we'd be able to go to live and work in India more easily. No more visa / work permit requirement for UK citizens, presumably. India's so big that the whole country could go there and as long as we spread ourselves about a bit, nobody would even notice really.
gosub
~#
Bollocks. Its the number of working visas that are to be made available.
Raheem
Well-Known Member
Disabuse yourself now of the notion that the future consists of symmetrical deals where we get what we give.
pocketscience
Well-Known Member
I would say so.
Granting permissions (i.e setting restrictions via visas/ green cards etc) is a bit different than implementing freedom of movement.
Its not a trivial difference and if pointing it out us splitting hairs then any discussion on brexit is pointless, seeing as it's one of the key negotiation factors.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
Look at this nonsense.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
caution: sun link
sealion
Conformity is the last refuge of the unimaginitive
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
a good time for british horror: rise of the maybot and so forth
sealion
Conformity is the last refuge of the unimaginitive
I like reading the comments from the seething liberals
gosub
~#
explains why you had all the history authors coming out for remain before the referendum with their nonsense about end of history
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
end of the end of history. and the start of something different.
MightyTibberton
Well-Known Member
I thought history ended when the Berlin Wall came down. Who restarted it?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
it restarted when it became clear that fukuyama's end of history was a load of auld shite
MightyTibberton
Well-Known Member
Sorry, the correct answer is:
B) Phil out of Time Team, who kicked it up the jacksy with his biggest, muddiest boots.
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