Is Brexit actually going to happen?

[cupid_stunt]

And, if you think you know what's going to happen, you haven't been following developments.

 

[Pickman's model]

Johnson's going to take us out with No Deal just to show that he can, isn't he?

if he does that on 31 october then the country will be fucked come close of business on 1 november

unless someone can work a way around eu data transfer rules

 

[Pickman's model]

And, if you think you know what's going to happen, you haven't been following developments.

it's because i've been following developments that i know what's going to happen

 

[andysays]

This is spurious. You could equally argue that if the oppositon parties cared about whether or not he has the right to govern, then they would call a VoNC. The fact is that this govt's authority rests upon the will of Parliament, and that the will of Parliament is that the Johnson govt remain (ahem, sorry) in govt but not actually be able to do anything.

Johnson wants to win the next election, whenever it is. Failing at actually delivering Brexit by his effectively self imposed deadline, he sees his best chance as being able to point to the opposition as to blame for that failure. He certainly seems unlikely to be able to point to any positive success on his part.

Most of the opposition parties are (understandably from their point of view) primarily interested in stopping a No Deal Brexit on 31st Oct, and a successful VoNC now would put that in doubt. It seems reasonable and sensible (again from their point of view) to attempt to ensure we don't have a No Deal exit and then hold a VoNC.

 

[cupid_stunt]

it's because i've been following developments that i know what's going to happen

You don't.

 

[Pickman's model]

You don't.

so you say

 

[Poi E]

if he does that on 31 october then the country will be fucked come close of business on 1 november

unless someone can work a way around eu data transfer rules

Fucking extraordinary this one.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

It doesn't really matter how you see it tbf. He's not talking to you.

Sure. But that doesn't mean we have to succumb to any elements of his narrative of bullshit, just because some other people might be sympathetic to it.

 

[MickiQ]

BoZo isn't a Brexit zealot he cares only for himself so long as he can firmly pin the blame on someone else he will ask for an extension and then point the finger during an election campaign
There are no words strong enough to describe what a self serving shit he is

 

[Ranbay]

something about his siter saying something, i saw it on twatter etc

 

[Supine]

something about his siter saying something, i saw it on twatter etc

Good contribution

(runs off to find it)

 

[Ranbay]

Or something

 

[Badgers]

 

[pogofish]

Fuck, I had successfully buried any memory of that dirge and avoided it for decades...!

 

[Smokeandsteam]

Fascinating. I always thought Snow was a journalist during the mod 80’s with the miners strike, mass unemployment, racism and the class war unleashed by Thatcher.

It was a period when class war, rather than a tiresome spat between the admin section of the ruling class, raged. Bubble wanker

 

[Supine]

Fascinating. I always thought Snow was a journalist during the miners strike, mass unemployment, racism and the class war unleashed by Thatcher.

I'd say brexit has beaten all of those in the 'breaking our country' competition

 

[Smokeandsteam]

I'd say brexit has beaten all of those in the 'breaking our country' competition

Really? A row over trading arrangements with a failing bloc ‘beats’ the battle to defeat the organised working class and overhaul Keynesian economic management to usher in neo-liberalism.

Fascinating

 

[philosophical]

Now it looks like something called the civil contingencies act 2004 might come into play.

Apparently it would be a legal way of forcing no deal.

 

[Supine]

It certainly is fascinating. More dangerously - brexit has split the working, middle and upper classes. It has also split the left and right. It's a fundamental sea change that impacts everyone in the UK. None of your quoted examples have anywhere near the long term impact. Unfortunately.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

It certainly is fascinating. More dangerously - brexit has split the working, middle and upper classes. It has also split the left and right. It's a fundamental sea change that impacts everyone in the UK. None of your quoted examples have anywhere near the long term impact. Unfortunately.

People are certainly angry about the delays in implementing the decision/that they lost -but when you have a militarised police occupying working class communities, millions of jobs deliberately thrown away and the construction of a narrative of ‘an enemy within’ to justify class war as policy, then I’d argue Snow is talking out of his hole.

 

[killer b]

You mistake Brexit for a cause, rather than a symptom. All those divisions were there already - if this crisis hadn't have happened, another would have been along soon enough. Look at the world around you.

 

[redsquirrel]

The dismantling of the welfare state and imposition of neo-liberalism did not have a fundamental impact. Totally mad. Brexit really has driven some liberals crazy

 

[ska invita]

A row over trading arrangements with a failing bloc

i know you dont give a shit about it, but spare just a little thought for the 10s to 100s of thousands of people who are due to be made illegal and deportable in 18 months.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

i know you dont give a shit about it, but spare just a little thought for the 10s to 100s of thousands of people who are due to be made illegal and deportable in 18 months.

How do you know I don’t ‘give a shit about it’? Plus what the fuck has that got to do with the tweet by Snow?

 

[Supine]

I'd argue that looking at things purely through the prism of class is limiting your view on the affects. No idea what you mean about militarism police though.

You hit the nail on the head about throwing away millions of jobs though. That's more significant than the quoted examples you made earlier on its own.

Add to that our loss of FOM, our withdrawal from international relationships (non capital related), the alienation of settled foreigners living here, our influence in science and technology, and the rise of right wing racism etc. Brexit is doing nothing positive for our country and a hell of a lot of damage.

But blue passports...

 

[Smokeandsteam]

I'd argue that looking at things purely through the prism of class is limiting your view on the affects.

I’d argue the failure of much of the left to look at things through the prism of class is possibly a more pressing point.

 

[brogdale]

Now it looks like something called the civil contingencies act 2004 might come into play.

Apparently it would be a legal way of forcing no deal.

No, that's not credible.
Explained here.

 

[redsquirrel]

Just a minor effect here

Health inequalities across the UK are at their widest since Victorian times, a study says.
The researchers looked at the life expectancy for 10 different poverty groups from 1992 to 2003 although the report admitted the gap had been widening since the 1980s.

They found over that period the gap had widened by 0.15 of a year, with the poorest living 76.2 years on average while the wealthiest lived until 80.3 years old.

 

[MrSki]

 

[Supine]

The dismantling of the welfare state and imposition of neo-liberalism did not have a fundamental impact. Totally mad. Brexit really has driven some liberals crazy

I totally agree with that as a significant reason for the brexit vote. People have been getting a reduced share of the countries gains and it has made us angry. For me that's an argument against shit bag tory governments but not directly related to the EU though. Austerity was a UK policy.