butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Maybe a requirement to prove that you have some sort of investment in the good of the country too a380?
Is Brexit actually going to happen?
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2hats
Dust.
No foresight.
A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
But only for executive refureda. So for example if we were having a vote on widget safety just to see if you knew for example what widgets did, how many we make and what the current safety regime for wigits is.
Nothing apart from being alive and over 15 for any representive elections.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Oh look, we've just decided the EU is a specialist not a political issue.
A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
No, that would be a shit idea and take us back to the 20th century.
But you won’t wind me up, I’m still happy from all those Daily Mail readers’ comments.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
It would take us back to the 17th century. Nevertheless, it's your suggestion.
What on earth does your second attempt at a paragraph mean?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
surely people who had no stake in the good of the country would be best placed to offer a disinterested, objective view of the merits of the proposal, people who had an investment in the good of the country would of course be biased in favour of their own interests.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
It was only 1964 that the US removed the ability of states to restrict the franchise to tax payers. I must admit I hadn’t realised it was that late. I thought it was in the 1920s.
The second paragraph means I enjoy reading the ranting tantrums of Kipper loons* on the website of their favourite newspaper. This, I know, makes me a bad person.
* And no, this doesn’t mean I think that everyone who wants to exit the EU is a kipper loon. I can see the lexit arguments.
A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
Presumably this is why the proprietors of the Telegraph, Sun and Mail see themselves as best placed to try and rungjis country.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
I wonder, would your proposed voting restrictions extend to asking people which state they think they live in?
A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
No. World government.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
I think you should not have had that last drink before going to bed last night. Bye.
A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
You are probably right. Anyway, off out for a day sightseeing.
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bemused
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I think we are heading towards Norway which realistically was always going to happen. There will be plenty of impotent gnashing of teeth & renting of clothes from the hard brexiteers, I’m sure.
Norway has freedom of movement, this is why they are talking about some fictional 'Canada plus plus plus' deal.
MightyTibberton
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SaskiaJayne
Rural Guerrilla
Yes but I’m thinking stopping freedom of movement may not be an issue when reality bites & people realise that any comprehensive trade deals with India & China will have to include freedom of movement.
bemused
Well-Known Member
Indian companies can move people here to work, Norwegian citizens can just move here to live without a job. The UK government won't want to accept freedom of movement, the problem they'll have is the EEA trade deal is the one they want. Both parties have the odd idea that they'll be able to get an EEA type deal without freedom of movement, if the EU agrees to that you'll see many EU countries want to restrict freedom of movement within the EU.
Ironically I think May would get an EEA type deal through Parliment judging on the vote last night.
gosub
~#
No, they would have a section on freedom of movement ALL trade deals do. It amounts to number of visas issued per year as opposed to an open door
MightyTibberton
Well-Known Member
Is that true? I thought even EU citizens were supposed to leave - or could be removed - after six months without a job?
gosub
~#
Not sure, but thought that was agreed as part of Cameron's last ditch deal, and as such never got a chance to be implimented
MightyTibberton
Well-Known Member
Do EU jobseekers have to leave if they can’t find work after six months?
It seems it's been there for a while. I'm not sure how Norway differs though?
It seems it's been there for a while. I'm not sure how Norway differs though?
bemused
Well-Known Member
Norway has the same rules, not sure how you prove they are a burden on the welfare system, merely claiming means you're putting a burden on it.
SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
How about we ask you some questions and if you don't get them right we shoot you?
So people can vote for the Tories but they can't have a view on the EU unless they pass your test?
I can understand the impulse to want those voting on a specific issue to have first spent the time to understand the issue. But your suggestion is riven with problems.
1) Who decides what the baseline knowledge should be?
2) What criteria are there for setting the baseline? In your EU referendum example, you chose facts about the ECJ and European Parliament, but why are these the important things to know? What about things that affect people day to day, such as facts about typical undercutting of local labour prices in affected areas? Or things that speak to the political ideology of the EU, such as details about the EU's interventions in Greece? Or things related to trade, such as details about the EIOPA regulation of banking and the insurance industry?
3) Are you keeping your test a secret and giving it to everybody at the same time? How? Or will the test be given in a staggered fashion (such as at the polling booth), in which case how are you preventing the questions leaking out? Who is marking it?
4) Are the baseline criteria and question set going to be known in advance? How will this affect the results of the exam? Are you aware that there is a strong class effect to exam taking? Being raised to be nervous of exams affects your performance in the exam.
I could honestly go on, but you get the point. Aside from the in-principle objections to the idea, the practical reality would be impossible.
discokermit
Well-Known Member
you failed the spelling test. no vote for you, cuntchops.
MightyTibberton
Well-Known Member
It says that that is taken in UK law as meaning you claim for six months. You're not allowed to claim anything for the first three months then you're allowed to claim benefits for six months in total (doesn't have to be consecutive by the looks of things). The question seems to be one of enforcement - are people actually deported? It seems if they are it isn't very many but there's no real way of knowing if it's everyone who could be. And does Human Rights legislation get in the way of these rules?
danny la rouge
I have a cheese grater in the dishwasher.
The history in the US of voting rights/literacy test not enough to tell you what's wrong with this idea?
Read the following passage:
Διαφέρομεν δὲ καὶ ταῖς τῶν πολεμικῶνμελέταις τῶν ἐναντίων τοῖσδε. τήν τε γὰρπόλιν κοινὴν παρέχομεν, καὶ οὐκ ἔστιν ὅτεξενηλασίαις ἀπείργομέν τινα ἢ μαθήματοςἢ θεάματος, ὃ μὴ κρυφθὲν ἄν τις τῶνπολεμίων ἰδὼν ὠφεληθείη, πιστεύοντες οὐταῖς παρασκευαῖς τὸ πλέον καὶ ἀπάταις ἢ τῷ ἀφ' ἡμῶν αὐτῶν ἐς τὰ ἔργα εὐψύχῳ· καὶ ἐν ταῖς παιδείαις οἱ μὲν ἐπιπόνῳ ἀσκήσειεὐθὺς νέοι ὄντες τὸ ἀνδρεῖον μετέρχονται,ἡμεῖς δὲ ἀνειμένως διαιτώμενοι οὐδὲν ἧσσονἐπὶ τοὺς ἰσοπαλεῖς κινδύνους χωροῦμεν.
A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
You failed the use of capitalisation test. So you only get to vote for e.e. cummings. What a lovely turn of phrase ‘cuntchops’ I shall add it to my vocabulary, thanks.
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