teqniq
DisMembered
Who/whatever it is, I surmise that english is not their first language.
Iran
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kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
The normalisation thing is interesting....
We're all - and i include myself - sitting here saying what good lads the Iranians are for eventually fessing up, yet if we apply the same standards to the US, France, UK, Canada etc... would we be saying what good lads the Americans were for, four days after the events, fessing up to shooting down a Lufthansa passenger place 10 miles out from Dulles international?
The stench of double standards?
We're all - and i include myself - sitting here saying what good lads the Iranians are for eventually fessing up, yet if we apply the same standards to the US, France, UK, Canada etc... would we be saying what good lads the Americans were for, four days after the events, fessing up to shooting down a Lufthansa passenger place 10 miles out from Dulles international?
The stench of double standards?
2hats
Dust.
Only it wasn't lacking in that case and was flagged up quite quickly (under 5 days).
mauvais
on reddit or something
I'm not sure many people are really doing that, or at least not going big on it. We can recognise that a bit of truth is better than a lie, but there's not much more to it than that.
We know what's going to happen about this, and it's the same thing that happened when Russia shot down MH17, and I'm pretty sure it's the same thing that would happen if a Western country shot one down, and it is: nothing.
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
176 die, having been murdered by a vile regime, yet the world does nothing
Except that Iran has admitted it you pillock.
YouSir
Retired from Urban
And this is a surprise to you?
cupid_stunt
Where's the bloody sun?
TBF, the world did fuck all after the US shot down that Iranian Airlines flight in 1988, killing 290 people.
That was Yossarian's point, they were taking the piss out of that journalist.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
The fact that it was an accident seems uncontroversial so no murder has gone on. I don't really see what much we should expect to be done other than for Iran to pony up some proper compo.
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mauvais
on reddit or something
What do you want from it, or any of the other shootdowns? A pointless war?
elbows
Well-Known Member
I have not congratulated the Iranians for fessing up. Their propaganda model isnt identical to the Russian one so it wasnt that surprising I suppose, they have a slightly different attitude towards the idea of remaining somewhat credible.
Double standards and media bias are certainly things that have been judged in the past by doing media analysis on reporting of different military shootdowns of civilian planes. For example the wikipedia page for the Iran Air 655 incident of 1988 has a section which says:
Robert Entman of George Washington University studied coverage surrounding the incident in U.S. media, comparing it to the similar incident that happened to Korean Air Lines Flight 007, which was shot down by the Soviet Union five years earlier. Using material from Time, Newsweek, The New York Times, The Washington Post and CBS Evening News, the research found clearly evident framing techniques used to demonize and blame the foreign enemy.[48] He stated that by "de-emphasizing the agency and the victims and by the choice of graphics and adjectives, the news stories about the U.S. downing of an Iranian plane called it a technical problem while the Soviet downing of a Korean jet was portrayed as a moral outrage."
The study is important not only because it demonstrated ethnocentric bias in news media outlets, but also because Entman included polling that appears to show that the unbalanced coverage swayed public opinion against the Soviet Union and Iran.[49]
In July 2014, when Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 was shot down in Ukraine, some commentators noted the discrepancy of U.S. official position and media coverage of the two similar incidents.[39][50][51]
In a comparative study of the two tragedies published in 1991, political scientist Robert Entman points out that with KAL 007, "the angle taken by the US media emphasised the moral bankruptcy and guilt of the perpetrating nation. With Iran Air 655, the frame de-emphasised guilt and focused on the complex problems of operating military high technology"
Iran Air Flight 655 - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
I wasn't agreeing with Pilger, Brainiac.
TheHoodedClaw
acknowledging ur soup leg
There's dozens of videos floating around, here's an example:
That one is mostly students, some of the others are a more diverse crowd. We'll see what happens I guess.
(I looked up when Neda Agha-Soltan was killed, and fucking hell that was more than ten years ago)
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
What do I want? I want the people responsible standing in the Hague, being tried for mass murder.
Do I expect it to happen? No, not at all.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Amazing people. QS's goons (yes i can't spell it either) are pogroming across Iraq and are going to be given the green light to do so again in Iran very soon - these people know that and still they turn out.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Trump's 5D chess game is spot on i have to say.
spring-peeper
Well-Known Member
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
I’m not sure there’d be much of a case to answer for shooting down an aircraft they believed was attacking them.
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
Manslaughter at most: murder requires evidence of intent.
But it won't happen.
weltweit
Well-Known Member
US intelligence was saying two SAMs were fired, but there was only one explosion at the plane, I wonder if both missiles exploded at once, or what happened to the second? A relatively slow moving airliner can't be that difficult a target for a military spec SAM system.
TheHoodedClaw
acknowledging ur soup leg
The UK Ambassador in Tehran got arrested for a couple of hours - he went to what he thought was a vigil, which turned out to be a demo, so he left to go and get a haircut and got lifted at the barber shop. That's a few pages of the memoir filled out I suppose.
likesfish
You can't park here sir
the whole thing was a monstrous fuck up said the captain was overly gung ho wanting to chase gunboats in a huge billion-dollar cruiser while failing to have his radar operators up to the necessary skills to tell the difference from a descending or ascending aircraft in crowded airspace.
TheHoodedClaw
acknowledging ur soup leg
the whole thing was a monstrous fuck up said the captain was overly gung ho wanting to chase gunboats in a huge billion-dollar cruiser while failing to have his radar operators up to the necessary skills to tell the difference from a descending or ascending aircraft in crowded airspace.
And, y'know, the ten communication attempts - six of which were on military frequencies that no civ pilot was ever going to be hearing, and four on guard that were so woolly that no individual airline crew thought it applied to them.
"Fire"
DownwardDog
Well-Known Member
WTF does "woolly" mean? I've got to say if a Tico class guided missile cruiser hailed me on GUARD I'd probably pay attention.
TheHoodedClaw
acknowledging ur soup leg
If you were hailed with your callsign, then sure.
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nogojones
spelling is overrated
Iran Air Flight 655 - Wikipedia
TheHoodedClaw
acknowledging ur soup leg
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