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International Women's Day

So it should be International Working Class day then? :confused: I hate to mansplain, but surely IWD can encompass a load of issues? Say in a country where women are denied abortion, that's going to affect you regardless of class (though maybe not quite to the same extent if you can afford to travel or pay someone off)? Or it could just be about recognising/celebrating women in the arts... or female scientists rather than tackling an 'issue'? Please correct me if I'm wrong. :D
Look, you're 90% of the way there, why can't you make the final leap? It doesn't affect you regardless of class, because if you have enough money you can travel to another country and get an abortion there. If you're poor you have to have the baby or risk a backstreet operation. Likewise if you're rich, you won't be affected by the assumption that women will do all the unpaid care work of children and elderly relatives, because you'll be able to pay another (working class) woman minimum wage to do that for you.
 
No, it shouldn't. It's International Women's Day or International Working Women's Day according the wiki article on it. There is an International Workers Day also.

And if you hate to mansplain then please don't do it. Go and read about what IWD events and activities in over 100 countries around the world actually do.

People can 'celebrate' it as they like, or at least, in reality, that's what people are doing - from, as I said, getting stuck into various pressing issues to recognising women's achievements in the arts, science, etc. I don't need to 'go and read' because I'm perfectly aware of what's going on. Or are you saying people shouldn't be allowed to interpret it as they like?
 
People can 'celebrate' it as they like, or at least, in reality, that's what people are doing - from, as I said, getting stuck into various pressing issues to recognising women's achievements in the arts, science, etc. I don't need to 'go and read' because I'm perfectly aware of what's going on. Or are you saying people shouldn't be allowed to interpret it as they like?
I'm saying stop fucking mansplaining and go and read the famous women you've never heard of thread, or post about a woman of achievement on it, or just bloody listen to any of the countless women who've told you to stop talking shite.

On international women's day please let us speak for once.
 
Can they? As long as care defaults to women, are they truly as free as men to celebrate things as they see fit whenever they like?

Have a braincell Johnny, your need is greater than mine and I can spare it. ;)

Yes, there are women who won't be free to celebrate it - but women (or men) who want to/can take part should be free to observe and celebrate it how they like. Or are some saying it should not be allowed for certain things, that it's trivialised when, say, it's used to focus on women in the arts? That it should only be used to discuss serious issues faced by working class women and nothing else?
 
I thought feminism was about to change the whole world 40 years ago. Sad that so little has changed.
Still have inequality and lack of equal pay, rape apologists and slut shamers. Levels of violence against women haven't changed at all. FGM still happens. Women suffering in so many counties. It is truely horrifying.

And men still think it is a fucking joke.
 
Yes, there are women who won't be free to celebrate it - but women (or men) who want to/can take part should be free to observe and celebrate it how they like. <snip>
You don't get it. :(

There's a reason that "I wanted to change the world but couldn't get a babysitter" sold so widely when it was printed on mugs and T shirts.

Think about it. Please. This isn't merely about being legally allowed to do something, it's also about being socially enabled and supported to do so.

How many working fathers are expected to account for their childcare arrangements if applying for promotion or taking longer hours? Why is it so widely held unreasonable to ask fathers about this, but not mothers?

How many men (compared to women in the same situation), before getting hospital treatment, find themselves arranging emergency childcare, or somebody to take over looking after a sick or disabled relative?
 
No, I entirely get it, and nothing I've said goes against what you've said in this post.
No you really truly don't, and yes it does.

Time and again I hear women only agreeing to meet up or attend events provided that they can get a babysitter - I don't seem to hear the same proportion of men doing that as an automatic thing.
 
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<snip> Please just fuck off and let women talk.
But, y' know, it'd be as pointless as ever trying to get more films and fiction to pass the Bechtel (sp?) test. What on earth would we talk about without a man around?

Edited to add :rolleyes: for clarity
 
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Vintage Paw who cares? I though every fucking day belonged to men - as does so much of the world.

Some interesting stats from the world bank in 2011:

The World Bank’s latest World Development Report, which focuses on gender equality around the world, offers some stark facts about how women and girls fare in developing countries despite decades of progress.

Wealth: Women represent 40% of the world’s labor force but hold just 1% of the world’s wealth.

Wages: Salaried women workers earn 62 cents for every $1 that men earn in Germany, 64 cents in India and about 80 cents in Mexico and Egypt. Women entrepreneurs fare far worse, earning 34 cents for every $1 men earn in Ethiopia and just 12 cents in Bangladesh relative to every $1 for men.

Mortality: Women and girls are more likely to die relative to men and boys in low and middle-income countries, with 3.9 million “missing” women and girls each year under the age of 60, the report says. At least 40% of those are never born, one-sixth die in infancy and a third in their reproductive years. The problem is worst in sub-Saharan Africa and countries hit by HIV/AIDS.

Education: Women now account for more than half the world’s university students, and 60 countries have more young women than men in universities. Primary-education disparities between boys and girls have closed in almost all nations. And in secondary education, girls now outnumber boys in 45 developing countries. But ethnicity combined with poverty can be a barrier: two-thirds of out-of-school girls around the world belong to ethnic minority groups.

The report, released Sunday night, says eliminating barriers for women can increase output per worker by 3% to 25% across a range of countries.

“Countries that create better opportunities and conditions for women and girls can raise productivity, improve outcomes for children, make institutions more representative, and advance development prospects for all,” the bank said.
 
But, y' know, it'd be as pointless as ever trying to get more films and fiction to pass the Bechtel (sp?) test. What on earth would we talk about without a man around?
what is the Bechtel test?
I managed to avoid male company a lot for years. Never ran out of conversation...
 
what is the Bechtel test?
I managed to avoid male company a lot for years. Never ran out of conversation...
Bechdel test, sorry, got the spelling wrong.

Basically you have to have two women talking about something which isn't a man, and as a further refinement, at least one of them should be a named character.

Drat, weepiper got there first!
 
Bechdel test, sorry, got the spelling wrong.

Basically you have to have two women talking about something which isn't a man, and as a further refinement, at least one of them should be a named character.

Drat, weepiper got there first!
have just looked that up. I remember dykes to watch out for cartoons very well - one of the gay papers serialised them I think. I own a book of them somewhere. Had no idea it had this effect on popular culture.
 
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