Implications for the rest of us if Scotland votes yes

[gabi]

They'll have to change the Union Jack. Which will be massive pain in the arse for marketing folk everywhere.

 

[newbie]

A large opportunity cost where an enormous amount of time and treasure in spent by all the numerous departments involved to divide the assets. A bonanza for consulants and 'task forces' who will be deployed for months if not years to push this forward.

yes, there'll be huge spending on city firms of lawyers and accountants trying to work out how to carve up complex, integrated things like air traffic control and the grid as well as much discussed matters like fisheries, oil and the national debt. New Porches and trebles all round, and let's not even think about the negotiators who self-identify with Scotland and whatever conflict of interest that might imply.

And vast amounts of time spent by politicians bickering, which may mean they can't get up to anything worse or may just mean the government can slide through whatever else it pleases without what passes for scrutiny.

Their most immediate problem still appears to be the planned 2015 election, which will give them plenty of scope for grandstanding. The official view is here with an awful lot of ifs, buts and maybes.

The central 'toxic' conundrum is not easy to resolve- what role should Scottish MPs play in the UK process that negotiates separation with the Scottish government? Whatif their presence creates a Labour administration that would lose its majority when they leave, but which will gerrymander negotiations for whatever future electoral advantage it can get both north and south of the border. The MPs longterm interest (and that of the constituents they pretend to represent) lies with Scotland so it's hard for even non-Tories to see fairness and parity in Scottish votes counting twice and being represented on both sides of the negotiations. Or should they somehow be excluded/exclude themselves in which case they still help determine the majority party but otherwise Scottish votes for UK constituencies are all but meaningless during the biggest constitutional change of the era. Delaying the UK election won't alter that, merely use an older mandate which further excludes those of us not in Scotland from any involvement in the process at all. And, of course, Scottish MPs will be out of a job after 2016, which will also play some part in their thinking.

So there's plenty of scope for dodgy deals and jockeying for advantage amongst chaps who all went to school/Oxbridge together and who- like Danny- see possibilities in the upheaval but unlike him are looking out almost entirely for themselves.


... and then there's the house of lords...

 

[newbie]

The football results will take half the time they do now.

even better, no longer will we have to listen to their miserable weather on the forecasts

 

[DotCommunist]

I think you may have missed what's happened/happening to Rangers.

completely. But on thinking of it I suppose there may be some sort of battle for the clubs soul going on internally wrt scots indy? gers being traditionally known as the unionists but its never that simple is it.

unless you are on about something completely different.

 

[Pickman's model]

further to previous replies duke of edinburgh.deported as undesirable alien

 

[danny la rouge]

even better, no longer will we have to listen to their miserable weather on the forecasts

Oh, no. In the negotiations, we'll make sure you get the bad weather.

 

[brogdale]

I see that the Orange order are having an away-day in Edinburgh on Saturday. That might help a few "DKs" to make up their mind.

I suppose the Ulster Unionists are pretty scared of the scenario in which their desire for union is with an entity that can't even be named yet.

 

[danny la rouge]

I see that the Orange order are having an asset-day in Edinburgh on Saturday. That might help a few "DKs" to make up their mind.

I suppose the Ulster Unionists are pretty scared of the scenario in which their desire for union is with an entity that can't even be named yet.

Unionism: the belief that two lands sharing a border ought also to share a government, unless those lands are part of Ireland.

 

[nino_savatte]

They'll have to change the Union Jack. Which will be massive pain in the arse for marketing folk everywhere.

 

[Sue]

I see that the Orange order are having an away-day in Edinburgh on Saturday. That might help a few "DKs" to make up their mind.

I suppose the Ulster Unionists are pretty scared of the scenario in which their desire for union is with an entity that can't even be named yet.

And Nigel Farage is apparently staging a pro-union rally in Glasgow this Friday.

 

[Idris2002]

And Nigel Farage is apparently staging a pro-union rally in Glasgow this Friday.

What could possibly go wrong?

 

[brogdale]

And Nigel Farage is apparently staging a pro-union rally in Glasgow this Friday.

Only needs Gideon now, and that would just about seal it!

 

[newbie]

And Nigel Farage is apparently staging a pro-union rally in Glasgow this Friday.

he's in favour of one free trade agreement but not another?

 

[ddraig]

They'll have to change the Union Jack. Which will be massive pain in the arse for marketing folk everywhere.

good and lol

 

[19sixtysix]

They'll have to change the Union Jack. Which will be massive pain in the arse for marketing folk everywhere.

Either way in referendum result I reckon it's about time UK things were made properly UK. Flag need bit of wales so may be bottom blue bits go green and we have dragon on top. Bank of England is moved away from city of london and renamed Bank of UK with a purpose to serve the population not corporations of the UK.

 

[ddraig]

don't want to be on the flag thanks

 

[brogdale]

Must say I was quite taken with Natalie Bennett's public welcoming of the constitutional chaos that would follow a 'Yes' vote.

 

[Idris2002]

Must say I was quite taken with Natalie Bennett's public welcoming of the constitutional chaos that would follow a 'Yes' vote.

"The floodgates of anarchy will come crashing down upon our heads".

 

[SpookyFrank]

What are the implications for the left and the anarchist scene in England if there is a yes vote ? Are there any or is it just a question about getting the right line?

Losing both of the Scottish anarchists would certainly be a major blow.

 

[flypanam]

I suppose the Ulster Unionists are pretty scared of the scenario in which their desire for union is with an entity that can't even be named yet.

Also one which they fear may one day sell them out.

 

[Idris2002]

Also one which they fear may one day sell them out.

I don't think so. Their whole thing is loyalty to the crown, and that will still be there. I suppose they could even "kick it old school" and revert to loyalty to the Dutch monarchy, if there was even an English republic.

 

[brogdale]

"The floodgates of anarchy will come crashing down upon our heads".

 

[flypanam]

I don't think so. Their whole thing is loyalty to the crown, and that will still be there. I suppose they could even "kick it old school" and revert to loyalty to the Dutch monarchy, if there was even an English republic.

I agree with the crown bit, but I always thought the presence of Scotland within the union was for UU is/was a reassuring presence against an English parliament that they don't entirely trust.

 

[Idris2002]

I agree with the crown bit, but I always thought the presence of Scotland within the union was for UU is/was a reassuring presence against an English parliament that they don't entirely trust.

During the plantations, weren't the protestant planters about 50/50 Scots/English?

 

[marty21]

this referedum is obsessing politicians and the media but I don't see any obsession amongst the general public in the rest of the uk - personally I think it will be a yes vote which will please me - the move to the yes vote has gained momentum since 2010 election - surely no coincidence

 

[MrSki]

this referedum is obsessing politicians and the media but I don't see any obsession amongst the general public in the rest of the uk - personally I think it will be a yes vote which will please me - the move to the yes vote has gained momentum since 2010 election - surely no coincidence

But the rest of us will be stuck with a tory government till the cows come home.

 

[DotCommunist]

And Nigel Farage is apparently staging a pro-union rally in Glasgow this Friday.

remember this waste of oxygen?

][/B]The Scots are subsidy junkies whingeing like a trampled bagpipe as they wait for their next fix of English taxpayers' money.

By January 2013 he had become UKIP's president in Scotland but was sacked by UKIP leader Nigel Farage in November 2013 following factional infighting.

Lets hope Farage has to flee whichever drinking hole he has retreated to under guard from henchmen. Again.

 

[brogdale]

But the rest of us will be stuck with a tory government till the cows come home.

Really? Again?

 

[marty21]

But the rest of us will be stuck with a tory government till the cows come home.

I think there will be a back lash against the Tories - and there will be an inevitable split over Europe, particularly if UKIP win in Clacton and Tories start getting worried about their seats as a result - and the next election will include Scottish MPs - despite Tories apparently wanting to delay the next election -

 

[DotCommunist]

But the rest of us will be stuck with a tory government till the cows come home.

even if scotland goes indy the loss of slab votes will still see labour with a clear majority in england, if the polls are to be believed. Anyway I think that even with a yes to indy the slab contingent won't be sperated off till after the upcoming GE.