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Implications for the rest of us if Scotland votes yes

Spanky Longhorn said:
I don't think the Scots workers will be any better off independent they'll get screwed by capital just the same - and as I've said elsewhere the SNP who will win very convincingly in the first election will become a truly neoliberal centre right government and start trashing what's left of the welfare state - but a yes vote will piss off the Tories and possibly cost them the next general election (combined with UKIP) so fuck it I support Yes
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So whilst you sneer at the SPGB, your own politics consist of "pissing off the Tories".
 
kenny g said:
So whilst you sneer at the SPGB, your own politics consist of "pissing off the Tories".
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Lol

Actually they consist of a fair bit more none of which you would like, but in a vote where neither option will lead to anything beneficial for my class - I'll take the comedy option cheers
 
krink said:
Sorry, to the op...one implication for me would be seriously considering moving to Scotland. It's only 70 miles to the border but I'd like to live a little further up in Edinburgh. Love the place. An implication for the rest of the UK would be....erm...I can't really think of any. Scottish fivers will be gone?
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John Terry will never get a chance to get an Olympic Gold medal for the UK team.
 
A large opportunity cost where an enormous amount of time and treasure in spent by all the numerous departments involved to divide the assets. A bonanza for consulants and 'task forces' who will be deployed for months if not years to push this forward. A chance that a vindictive Westminster estabishment will try to screw the Scots on the way out and try to engineer a 'fail' out of spite. Tory goverments in England bolstered by a UKIP coalition stretching into the forseeable. Everything that aint nailed down that can be sold off to be sold off and privatised at an accelarted pace. Cameron replaced by Boris in a two fingers we don't give a fuck anymore time for English Tories to partyyyyy....
 
an indie scotland will not result in a tory/ukip coalition.

an indie scotland yesterday
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newbie said:
It's getting quite close yet there seems very little discussion about the effect of a yes vote on what's being called rUK. Even that name is wrong, it will no longer be a united kingdom, just a single kingdom (well, queendom), untidily united with a principality, six counties and a few odd bits. As for the 'Great' in GB, well who knows.

We English have accepted, without demur, that enormous constitutional changes can be made to what we call 'our' nation without us getting any sort of say in the matter. Not just constitutional but more or less everything else significant is potentially being thrown up in the air, economic, defence, energy, diplomatic, political, boundaries and so on will all necessarily change.

That someone else can decide to alter such things for us is a very peculiar state of affairs, which we accept as being reasonable because they, the Scots, have the right to self determination. Personally I've heard very, very little in the way of challenges to that, which is fair enough though slightly surprising. I expected much more reactionary noise from the Little Englander right, especially about symbolic irrelevancies like the flag, the name of the nation, the coronation stone.

It's odd, there's a vacuum where discussion of what happens here, south of the border, if they vote yes should be. All we've really been told is that they'll put Trident in the home counties and we'll be blessed with a tory government forever.
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Shhh, we are quietly amassing our forces (non Scottish regiments) on the border and arming all the English currently residing in the secessionist state ;)
 
ibilly99 said:
A large opportunity cost where an enormous amount of time and treasure in spent by all the numerous departments involved to divide the assets. A bonanza for consulants and 'task forces' who will be deployed for months if not years to push this forward. A chance that a vindictive Westminster estabishment will try to screw the Scots on the way out and try to engineer a 'fail' out of spite. Tory goverments in England bolstered by a UKIP coalition stretching into the forseeable. Everything that aint nailed down that can be sold off to be sold off and privatised at an accelarted pace. Cameron replaced by Boris in a two fingers we don't give a fuck anymore time for English Tories to partyyyyy....
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You mental
 
ibilly99 said:
A large opportunity cost where an enormous amount of time and treasure in spent by all the numerous departments involved to divide the assets. A bonanza for consulants and 'task forces' who will be deployed for months if not years to push this forward. A chance that a vindictive Westminster estabishment will try to screw the Scots on the way out and try to engineer a 'fail' out of spite. Tory goverments in England bolstered by a UKIP coalition stretching into the forseeable. Everything that aint nailed down that can be sold off to be sold off and privatised at an accelarted pace. Cameron replaced by Boris in a two fingers we don't give a fuck anymore time for English Tories to partyyyyy....
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I'll have what she's having!
 
danny la rouge said:
I don't really want to butt in on a thread which is about "the implications for the rest of us", but seeing as the media, the establishment, and many people in the rest of the UK simply aren't getting the referendum, I feel justified in doing so.
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good post, and I'm coming round to the idea that an independent scotland could benefit the rest of us by being able to really give the lie to the failing neoliberalist experiment Westminster is conducting.

And possibly the north of england would benefit if the scottish economy really took off.

Still can't quite escape the feeling that it could well go the other way though, and push the rUK parties even further to the right, and the UK press would simply ignore whatever was going on in scotland.

I also reckon we should be given the option on which parliament to stick with. Edinburgh was once part of the same northumberland kingdom as Yorkshire, I reckon we could well prefer some sort of federal link up with scotland than continued centralised rule from westminster... if you'd have us.
 
8den said:
Seceded is a nice term for violent bloody revolution.
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a) Cause: what you call "violent bloody revolution".
b) Effect: Ireland splitting from the UK, aka secession.

The context of this thread - Scottish independence - means we are discussing (b).
 
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Here's an implication already: http://www.theguardian.com/politics...ce-pound-slumps-to-lowest-level-for-10-months

pound slumps to lowest level for 10 months

Why is there "uncertainty" over the Pound? It's because of the No camp's currency union bluff. The market isn't repricing an independent Scotland's economy - that doesn't exist yet. It's repricing the UK economy.

Osborne will either have to ride out Sterling volatility until after 18th, when negotiations being if there's a Yes, or he'll have to declare it was a bluff and there will be currency union after all.
 
danny la rouge said:
Here's an implication already: http://www.theguardian.com/politics...ce-pound-slumps-to-lowest-level-for-10-months

pound slumps to lowest level for 10 months

Why is there "uncertainty" over the Pound? It's because of the No camp's currency union bluff. The market isn't repricing an independent Scotland's economy - that doesn't exist yet. It's repricing the UK economy.

Osborne will either have to ride out Sterling volatility until after 18th, when negotiations being if there's a Yes, or he'll have to declare it was a bluff and there will be currency union after all.
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Exactly. And if I was an undecided, I'd certainly take note that (financial) capital sees independence as against its own interests.
 
MrSki said:
The football results will take half the time they do now.
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might be scope for an inter-islands trophy come the day. Scotland could pick 11 of the best from its two teams, england could scour its PL for actual english players who aren't injured old warhorses or raw boys. Dunno what wales would want to do- field a welsh team maybe. Then we rope in NI for a team. Maybe a joint Roi/NI team, to make the numbers up.
 
DotCommunist said:
might be scope for an inter-islands trophy come the day. Scotland could pick 11 of the best from its two teams, england could scour its PL for actual english players who aren't injured old warhorses or raw boys. Dunno what wales would want to do- field a welsh team maybe. Then we rope in NI for a team. Maybe a joint Roi/NI team, to make the numbers up.
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Two teams?

And you mean a home championship? We had one for a hundred years with no problems putting teams together.
 
Lying,cheating,thieving bastards.When the pounds drops because of their machinations it's "good for exports,business will flourish and it's unfortunate the poor will pay but you can't make an omelette without breaking eggs" cunts.
I'm no nationalist but the Scots would be mad not to go for it.
 
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four if you include hibs and hearts..

and thats my knowledge of football exhausted.

It'd make for a good tournament/contest though, in seriousness. But where in the schedule to slot it.
 
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