imaginary invented / concocted abuse thread ( Corbyn/Momentum/all)

[two sheds]

oh pretty please ...

 

[Louis MacNeice]

It's in a comment in the replies to her tweet.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

e2a: I confused facebook with twitter, like an eejit.

I don't understand why you deleted the content of your post.

 

[Idris2002]

I don't understand why you deleted the content of your post.

Because I didn't realise that the original post containing the rape threat was on facebook, I searched for this 'Mark Sheridan' shitehawk on twitter. Not finding him there made me think that maybe the threat wasn't real - but it was.

 

[DotCommunist]

if we do corbyn at war memorials this one cannot go unmentioned ever because it really is the most ludicrous shit and shows the press to be fucking desperate. His bow to the cenotaph not being sufficiently deep. For real. #bowgate

what a bunch of cunts

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

It turns out he's actually an Eagle supporter!

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

Source? I went on the lassies faciebee last night and i saw the update in question and she mentions he's a dude on a forum (never mentions what page- or initially that he had anything to do with corbyn actually which i thought strange-"corbyn supporter" seems to first appear on twitter) and that she'd unliked the page and that he was probably a fake account anyway. but at that time his facie bee had been deactivated, i think perhaps by facebook itself as he wasn't coming up in searches.

Slainte,
Sarah NicGhriogair

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

Source? I went on the lassies faciebee last night and i saw the update in question and she mentions he's a dude on a forum (never mentions what page- or initially that he had anything to do with corbyn actually which i thought strange-"corbyn supporter" seems to first appear on twitter) and that she'd unliked the page and that he was probably a fake account anyway. but at that time his facie bee had been deactivated, i think perhaps by facebook itself as he wasn't coming up in searches.

Slainte,
Sarah NicGhriogair

Bugger, didn't realise there had been more posts since then....

Nastravvii!
etc

 

[J Ed]

Debbonaire has made some pretty serious allegations about Corbyn supporters that i'd missed.

http://voxpoliticalonline.com/2016/...t-corbyn-supporters-being-brutal-at-meetings/

Now Thangam Debbonaire has made allegations about her own constituency party.

Her claim is supported in this article by Ruth Davies, who wrote: “It became clear that there were some very vocal Momentum members present in the room (many wearing the T shirts) who were interested in nothing but defending Corbyn and shouting down anyone who disagreed with them.

“The atmosphere was absolutely toxic, and for the first time in my dealings with the Bristol Labour Party I felt threatened.”

But others are standing up to deny the allegations. Here’s Chris Esson: “It is true that a small number were more vocal and uncivil… One of them called Debbonaire a traitor as she passed. However, these people were in the minority. Calls for everyone to listen and show consideration came from all sides – Corbyn-inspired newer members as well as more traditional Labour members.

“Although there were calls for questions representing ‘alternative points of view’, the large majority of the meeting supported Corbyn and wanted to know why their MP had joined in a series of resignations that had set the Labour party against itself at a time when strong opposition is needed more than ever.

“Some of the longer standing CLP members might, I think, have felt frustrated with this.

“Overall, the tone of debate was overwhelmingly civil. There were many strong feelings, but I heard opinions from a of variety of perspectives. I did not recognise Davies’ description of the meeting as ‘toxic’ or ‘dangerously close to bullying’.”

Or how about this, from Sasha Sadjady, whose article lists no less than seven undemocratic breaches of Labour Party rules by Ms Debbonaire, who chaire the meeting: “it was one of the most passionate and engaged political meetings I have ever taken part in and … I can’t wait for the next one.

“Ruth’s article mentions Momentum causing a ruckus. I’m not a member of Momentum (yet), but this was what I found the most confusing about her post. Apart from 4 people wearing Momentum t-shirts (there are photos!) who were dispersed across the room, and 3 people mentioning being active in Momentum during their candidacy speeches — all 3 of whom to the best of my recollection were elected — I’m not sure how she could tell who was a member and who wasn’t. I certainly couldn’t and I was actively looking for them. The interesting thing was that there weren’t two well defined blocs, rather people were listening and responding to each point. Sometimes in a rather heated way, but put 300 people in an overheated room together and tempers are going to be frayed at the best of times.

“Calls for unity can’t simply be unity in adhering to the status quo. Not everyone is going to agree and that’s fine. Passions will run high, voices will be raised but that’s fine too. People may even be a little rude to each other from time to time. Hundreds of thousands of people have joined Labour to have a voice in changing society and the party. They have joined to have this debate; it is not a distraction from gaining power but the means to do it.”

 

[cantsin]

another shit show on BBCDP today, throwing the lazy myth of 'violent / abusive CLP meetings/needing to be stopped ( as opposed to energised meets involving POLITICAL DEBATE , which kept passing pro Corbyn confidence motions, and therefore needed to be stopped ) and specifically, Lisa Nandy MP on Wigan CLP meet : " we met a couple of weeks ago , and had to have the police , because of the number of of threats and abuse that had been slung ..." general / twitter searching not throwing up much in support of this claim, anyone here with any insight / futher info ?

 

[existentialist]

another shit show on BBCDP today, throwing the lazy myth of 'violent / abusive CLP meetings/needing to be stopped ( as opposed to energised meets involving POLITICAL DEBATE , which kept passing pro Corbyn confidence motions, and therefore needed to be stopped ) and Lisa Nandy MP on Wigan CLP meet : " we met a couple of weeks ago , and had to have the police , because of the number of of threats and abuse that had been slung ..." general / twitter searching not throwing up much in support of this claim, anyone here with any insight / futher info ?

I'm always very interested in these "had to have the police in" type claims, because it can be as simple as someone deciding, for no particularly good reason, to call the police, rather than what that phrase is intended to imply.

And there's been so much of that blatant misrepresentation that any time they say anything remotely plausible, I find myself trying to find the angle, and figure out what really happened...

 

[existentialist]

I think that if the Labour Party splits, the "Progress" (ha!) tendency should name itself "Passive-aggressive Victim Labour"

 

[Indeliblelink]

An alleged ‘spitting incident’, which may have led to the suspension of the Brighton, Hove and District Labour Party, ‘never happened’, according to the man who has outed himself as the accused.

Alleged spitting incident at Labour AGM 'never happened' - Brighton & Hove Independent.

 

[BigTom]

I'm always very interested in these "had to have the police in" type claims, because it can be as simple as someone deciding, for no particularly good reason, to call the police, rather than what that phrase is intended to imply.

And there's been so much of that blatant misrepresentation that any time they say anything remotely plausible, I find myself trying to find the angle, and figure out what really happened...

Could you FoI the police force? Not get details but ask how many times they've been called to clp meetings and what dates?

 

[Athos]

Could you FoI the police force? Not get details but ask how many times they've been called to clp meetings and what dates?

You'd have to ask it of every force separately. And I suspect some forces would rely on the law enforcement exemption, albeit, it's not absolute i.e. to properly apply it they'd have to demonstrate a public interest in withholding it e.g. based on prejudice to any investigation. So you might end up making appeals to ICO.

 

[existentialist]

Could you FoI the police force? Not get details but ask how many times they've been called to clp meetings and what dates?

I think the problem with the way these people are doing their insinuating is that facts aren't terribly relevant - by the time you've sorted out the truth, they're 200 fabricated whinges further on down the line.

 

[cantsin]

Alleged spitting incident at Labour AGM 'never happened' - Brighton & Hove Independent.

ffs

 

[agricola]

You'd have to ask it of every force separately. And I suspect some forces would rely on the law enforcement exemption, albeit, it's not absolute i.e. to properly apply it they'd have to demonstrate a public interest in withholding it e.g. based on prejudice to any investigation. So you might end up making appeals to ICO.

It would also be data that would be very time consuming to collect; you'd probably have to search multiple systems for incidents based on the specific address of wherever the CLPs were, then look at what that call related to and determine whether or not it was relevant. Even then, it might not catch all the incidents (it wouldn't catch things that went on in the pub afterwards, or threats made over the phone / social media).

 

[TopCat]

I think just like the EU remainers kept lying and lecturing the people but were ignored, Corbyn will be re elected leader with an increased majority.

 

[Athos]

It would also be data that would be very time consuming to collect; you'd probably have to search multiple systems for incidents based on the specific address of wherever the CLPs were, then look at what that call related to and determine whether or not it was relevant. Even then, it might not catch all the incidents (it wouldn't catch things that went on in the pub afterwards, or threats made over the phone / social media).

More's the point, we live in a post-fact age. They'd just keep repeating the lie, until it became true.

 

[Louis MacNeice]

Alleged spitting incident at Labour AGM 'never happened' - Brighton & Hove Independent.

Here's the full statement from the alleged spitter: Matt Tully

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

 

[killer b]

More's the point, we live in a post-fact age. They'd just keep repeating the lie, until it became true.

We've always lived in a 'post fact' age ffs. There was no glorious time of perfect democracy where a well informed electorate made thoughtful decisions based on balanced data.

 

[Athos]

We've always lived in a 'post fact' age ffs. There was no glorious time of perfect democracy where a well informed electorate made thoughtful decisions based on balanced data.

True enough.

 

[cantsin]

We've always lived in a 'post fact' age ffs. There was no glorious time of perfect democracy where a well informed electorate made thoughtful decisions based on balanced data.

true, but it was never so easy to spread / propagate/amplify the lies/misinfo/disinfo to willing consumers + beyond

 

[killer b]

Likewise never been easier to debunk & find alternative viewpoints.

 

[emanymton]

The Labour Party is basically redefining any form of meaningful political activity as bullying and abuse, isn't it?

 

[two sheds]

I was going to say 'except when they do it' but I see you used the word 'meaningful'

 

[ska invita]

There was that thing when he supposedly compared israel to isis, when in fact all he did was mention them in the same sentence. Media had a field day.

He didn't mention ISIS at all, he said "Islamic states" (such as Saudi)

 

[cantsin]

Likewise never been easier to debunk & find alternative viewpoints.

not sure it works like that, at all, when there's such a unified agenda pushing the narrative in the same direction - the 'abusers/intimidation/spitters/anti semites/misogynist' stuff is all over soc media at all times at the present. The debunks / actual facts- not so much.

 

[Bernie Gunther]

There seems to be something going on where Eagles office are claiming local cops asked them to suspend surgeries and cops are saying 'did we fuck'

 

[J Ed]

There seems to be something going on where Eagles office are claiming local cops asked them to suspend surgeries and cops are saying 'did we fuck'

*clutches pearls* new post-fact reality!!!