imaginary invented / concocted abuse thread ( Corbyn/Momentum/all)

[a_chap]

Heard this reported on BBC R4 6pm news as "Police advise Angela Eagle to cancel surgeries after brick was thrown through window".

Lies, repeated often enough and all that...

 

[Bernie Gunther]

It was the local police commissioner, former MP Jane Kennedy who did the 'thuggery' PR event with Eagle a few days back.

Pretty sure she's a Blairite or ex Blairite but judge for yourself.

TheyWorkForYou

Jane Kennedy, former MP, Liverpool, Wavertree - TheyWorkForYou

The actual cops presumably know perfectly well it was probably random scallies and not political.

 

[rubbershoes]

The actual cops presumably know perfectly well it was probably random scallies and not political.

Double supposition !

 

[DaveCinzano]

Double supposition !

Could be worse

 

[Mr.Bishie]

Heard this reported on BBC R4 6pm news as "Police advise Angela Eagle to cancel surgeries after brick was thrown through window".

Lies, repeated often enough and all that...

Folk on Twitter got to the bottom of it.

@Kalista63 Have a friend who lives in Southport who heard on local radio that Mersey Police have denied giving any "advice"!

More horse shit, who'd have thought?!

 

[cantsin]

Someone's building an archive of debunks / rebuttals of the more obviously bogus ' abuse ' / ' initimdation ' claims here : Archive: Disputing Claims of Thuggery levelled at Jeremy Corbyn Supporters

 

[two sheds]

Someone's building an archive of debunks / rebuttals of the more obviously bogus ' abuse ' / ' initimdation ' claims here : Archive: Disputing Claims of Thuggery levelled at Jeremy Corbyn Supporters

Excellent stuff, have been wanting to see a good starter list for a while.

 

[two sheds]

Folk on Twitter got to the bottom of it.

@Kalista63 Have a friend who lives in Southport who heard on local radio that Mersey Police have denied giving any "advice"!

More horse shit, who'd have thought?!

Independent say it came from security services

People think Angela Eagle wasn't really advised to cancel meetings by terror police. We have proof they're wrong

I've still not seen any evidence that any abuse came from Corbyn supporters, though.

 

[baffled]

There's also the cancelled event in Luton supposedly because of abuse but turns out the hotel cancelled it as they weren't aware it was a political event.

Hotel pulls the plug on Angela Eagle meeting in Luton this afternoon

Edit: it's in that list linked to above.

 

[tim]

true, but it was never so easy to spread / propagate/amplify the lies/misinfo/disinfo to willing consumers + beyond

Rubbish, this lot are amateurs

 

[cantsin]

chances of Neil Coyle MP ever producing any evidence to support this nonsense claim, or anyone bothering to officially ask him to do so ? slim on both counts i'd guess :

 

[cantsin]

and while we're here, may as well save this ludicrous episode for posterity : Seem Malhotra, you total carrot.

Seema Malhotra's Office 'Break In' By Jeremy Corbyn Aide Does Not Breach Rules, Says Commons Speaker

 

[two sheds]

How the Press works

Present issue of Private Eye issue contrasts two immediately adjacent Guardian website headings:

Labour / Corbyn holds out 'hand of friendship' urging opponents to get behind the party
Live / Corbyn accuses Smith of betrayal

Only you read the Live article and the Guardian made up the bit about Corbyn accusing Smith of 'betrayal'.

Corbyn holds out 'hand of friendship' to opponents - as it happened

So a piece hinting that Corbyn's a hypocrite actually shows Private Eye joining in with the Guardian's hypocrisy.

 

[J Ed]

Student warned over 'threat to kill' as MP told: 'Get in the sea'

 

[Ted Striker]

Student warned over 'threat to kill' as MP told: 'Get in the sea'

There just arent enough facepalms

 

[J Ed]

There just arent enough facepalms

The fucked up thing is that Debbonaire knows that it wasn't a death threat, the student knows it wasn't yet Debbonaire still went after the student and the university still forced her to apologise to Debbonaire. Very nasty.

 

[The Pale King]

The university's statement:
"As soon as we became aware of the tweet, we contacted Thangam's office to discuss the matter and apologise for the distress caused.

"We expect the highest standards of behaviour from our students, whether on University premises or elsewhere.
"As such we have written to the student in accordance with the University's disciplinary procedures to explain that we considered the tweet unacceptable and to remind them of their responsibilities when using social media."

They refer to the MP by her first name only - which seems horribly ingratiating, as does the apology proffered by the uni. Does this mean that they will now be hunting through students' twitter accounts for 'unacceptable' tweets? If so, there will be a serious chilling effect on free speech (esp. political speech) among the students. What exactly are students' 'responsibilities when using social media'? How will students know if they have run afoul of these responsibilities?

That Debonnaire grandly tweeted 'I expect Bristol Uni to deal with this' shows a really nasty streak indeed, and the fact that she even had to change the words in her own tweet ('told me to drown' not 'get in the sea') and add the lawyerly 'I believe' illustrate the truth of J Ed's point above - that this is entirely cynical and performative. Trouble is, it will have real consequences for the student, while the only consequence for Debonnaire is to burnish her victimhood credentials for a day or two on twitter - low stakes indeed. The cynicism is pretty fucking breathtaking.

People in positions of power and influence are largely insulated from responsibility for their actions, and punished symbolically if at all. If they are criticised it is 'abuse/harrassment'. People not in power but critical of those who are are increasingly the ones liable to be held accountable for the ways in which they express their criticism, with no doubt much more collateral damage to come.

 

[two sheds]

You'd think she should be made to apologize for accusing the student of telling her to drown. I thought that instructing someone to commit suicide could be a serious offence and he could have got into trouble with the police because of the lie.

 

[NoXion]

Shouldn't the thread title be something like "imaginary/invented/concocted abuse thread"? Because as it stands it seems to be saying that invented/concocted abuse is imaginary. I know it's not the biggest priority by a long shot but it's been bothering me.

 

[irf520]

The university's statement:
"As soon as we became aware of the tweet, we contacted Thangam's office to discuss the matter and apologise for the distress caused.

"We expect the highest standards of behaviour from our students, whether on University premises or elsewhere.
"As such we have written to the student in accordance with the University's disciplinary procedures to explain that we considered the tweet unacceptable and to remind them of their responsibilities when using social media."

They refer to the MP by her first name only - which seems horribly ingratiating, as does the apology proffered by the uni. Does this mean that they will now be hunting through students' twitter accounts for 'unacceptable' tweets? If so, there will be a serious chilling effect on free speech (esp. political speech) among the students. What exactly are students' 'responsibilities when using social media'? How will students know if they have run afoul of these responsibilities?

That Debonnaire grandly tweeted 'I expect Bristol Uni to deal with this' shows a really nasty streak indeed, and the fact that she even had to change the words in her own tweet ('told me to drown' not 'get in the sea') and add the lawyerly 'I believe' illustrate the truth of J Ed's point above - that this is entirely cynical and performative. Trouble is, it will have real consequences for the student, while the only consequence for Debonnaire is to burnish her victimhood credentials for a day or two on twitter - low stakes indeed. The cynicism is pretty fucking breathtaking.

People in positions of power and influence are largely insulated from responsibility for their actions, and punished symbolically if at all. If they are criticised it is 'abuse/harrassment'. People not in power but critical of those who are are increasingly the ones liable to be held accountable for the ways in which they express their criticism, with no doubt much more collateral damage to come.

Surely this is an inevitable consequence of the current hysteria about people saying nasty things to each other on the internet? "Criticism is bullying" seems to be how it works. If everyone grew a thicker skin and realised they don't have the right not to be offended you wouldn't get these overblown reactions. Ironically university students are responsible for a lot of it with their "safe spaces" crap. Hoist on their own petard comes to mind.

 

[Pickman's model]

 

[DaveCinzano]

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It's the thin end of the blood libel wedge and no mistake

 

[Brixton Hatter]

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if you're not sure which one is Ant and which one is Dec, there's a handy trick. Ant is the one which looks like an ant: with a massive, round bald forehead, like an ant.

 

[existentialist]

if you're not sure which one is Ant and which one is Dec, there's a handy trick. Ant is the one which looks like an ant: with a massive, round bald forehead, like an ant.

By that standard, I think I'll just call them "Cunt and Cunt"

 

[Badgers]

Did we ever get an update on this?