is it to do with transfer to icu? tbf i mostly read the report to see how well my comprehension comes back, not looking to open a can of worms...One of the trickiest elephants in the room is mentioned in the report. The one that people arent sure how to talk about responsibly.
I read that in China more men died than women and there was a suggestion that men were heavier smokers and this might have contributed.is it that (lots) more men are dying than women?
Common amongst the dead. But it's not clear how many were on it and recovered.Hypertension medication.
There's an all round insufficiency of datapoints. So far.Common amongst the dead. But it's not clear how many were on it and recovered.
Don't take this the wrong way but can I gently ask that we please avoid the cryptic, and the ensuing guesswork? Either say something or don't.
Yes, I'm sorry, it just represented the dilemma I am having about that aspect. Normally I always shout at elephants in the room, I dont know how to handle that one, especially since it may drag on and we dont know how important it is. It causes me much pain to think about it, especially since I have family members that it potentially affects, and I have no decent way to talk sensibly with them about it at this stage, so I have to keep quiet.
Is there a translation?There is an Italian report on the characteristics of 3200 patients who died.
I hate relying on auto-translation for this sort of thing but it mostly seems to work quite well.
One of the trickiest elephants in the room is mentioned in the report. The one that people arent sure how to talk about responsibly. See, I dont even want to mention what it is. Perhaps someone else will do the deed if they know what I am getting at and find the sentence in question. Perhaps I will do so myself later if my thoughts on this change, but it really is hard to talk about it without risking unintended consequences.
You can download the PDF and then reupload it into Google Translate, there's a 'translate file' feature.Is there a translation?
Am trying and failing at that.You can download the PDF and then reupload it into Google Translate, there's a 'translate file' feature.
Prima del ricovero in ospedale, il 36% dei pazienti deceduti COVID-19 positivi seguiva una terapia con ACEinibitori ed il 16% una terapia con Sartani (bloccanti del recettore per l'angiotensina). Questo dato può però essere sotto-stimato in quanto non sempre dalle cartelle cliniche era possibile evincere la terapia eseguita prima del ricovero.
Prior to hospitalization, 36% of COVID-19 positive deceased patients followed ACE inhibitor therapy and 16% treated with Sartani (angiotensin receptor blockers). This data can however be underestimated as it was not always possible to infer the therapy performed from the medical records before admission.
there are 3 things which I think it could elbows could be referring, and i've read the whole doc in italian.
1. the vast majority of people who die are over 70. the median age is 80.
2. in the two most affected age groups (70 to 80 and 80 to 90) the vast majority of deaths are men
3. three quarters of the dead had pulmonary arterial hypertension
How ever stark the reality is in Italy now, think that they shut down 9 days ago from where we are at this point in the curve. We have a shoddy amount of ICU beds compared to other countries. This is going to be fucking catastrophic. Stay in!However stark the reality, doctors deserve clear guidance on prioritising.