Proper Tidy
Arsed
Grim though innit, not much work left in you so there we go old pal
Im really really hoping these temporary draconian measures will get the daily death toll and presumably infection rate down too. Requires some time for measures to work I guess.
Fuck sake cant believe this is what's coming here (or worse) because of shoddy inaction and mixed messages.
Such an intensive policy is predicted to result in a reduction in critical care requirements from a peak approximately 3 weeks after the interventions are introduced and a decline thereafter while the intervention policies remain in place.
fucking aye!I am feeling a bit like this here in the UK, a lot of management are keeping their companies going rather than shutting down to let their workforce stay at home furloughed. The workers are still at risk when they are at work as 6ft social distancing is not always possible, anyhow it is more risky to be mixing at work than it would be to be home. Many of these companies are not essential by any means.
that's why we must act, comrade!Hmm, if general companies in Italy can still be at work I don't hold out so much for British firms stopping any time soon.
fucking aye!
Although we're good with our social distancing, nice and isolated lab in a cow shed on a farm. But I'm all up for a mass strike! (have been ready to quit since the beginning of feb) If we do go into a proper lock down, all the stuff I've made will probably go out of date anyway, depending on how long this drags out.
I am feeling a bit like this here in the UK, a lot of management are keeping their companies going rather than shutting down to let their workforce stay at home furloughed. The workers are still at risk when they are at work as 6ft social distancing is not always possible, anyhow it is more risky to be mixing at work than it would be to be home. Many of these companies are not essential by any means.
Aha, yes I hear construction workers are filling the tubes in London.We're a manufacture that supplies into the construction industry. We're still open because building sites are open and if sites are open they need materials to build with. Bit of a weird situation.
There was a decline in the number of cases two days running on the 22nd and 23rd (EDIT: or 23rd/24th depending on how you count).I don't know if today's figures are final yet, so take this with a high degree of caution, but potentially Italy has its second day of decline in new deaths, as well as the first day decline in a while of new cases.
I guess at that point I looked at a graph which hadn't been updated yet. Yes, it was the second day of decline in new cases.There was a decline in the number of cases two days running on the 22nd and 23rd (EDIT: or 23rd/24th depending on how you count).
Yes not disputing the substantive point just being pedantic/wondering if I had read something wrong.I guess at that point I looked at a graph which hadn't been updated yet. Yes, it was the second day of decline in new cases.
It's especially hard to draw conclusions from the last few days but hopefully it's plateaued. Certainly not currently seeing more exponential growth.
Yes we probably will, for a multitude of different reasons. Sadly.This article suggests Italy is heavily undercounting the numbers dying - expect we'll have a similar issue here?
«The real death toll for Covid-19 is at least 4 times the official numbers»
Nembro, one of the municipalities most affected by Covid-19, should have had - under normal conditions - about 35 deaths. 158 people were registered dead this year by the municipal offices. But the number of deaths officially attributed to Covid-19 is 31www.corriere.it
guardian has 969 for friday, 889 for sat919 today apparently
here we go.....yeah im curious about whats happening elsewhere on the ground, beyond the singing neighbourhoods
Certainly, there are valuable lessons to be learned from the approaches of China, South Korea, Taiwan, and Singapore, which were able to contain the contagion fairly early. But sometimes the best practices can be found just next door. Because the Italian health care system is highly decentralized, different regions tried different policy responses. The most notable example is the contrast between the approaches taken by Lombardy and Veneto, two neighboring regions with similar socioeconomic profiles.
Lombardy, one Europe’s wealthiest and most productive areas, has been disproportionately hit by Covid-19. As of March 26, it held the grim record of nearly 35,000 novel coronavirus cases and 5,000 deaths in a population of 10 million. Veneto, by contrast, fared significantly better, with 7,000 cases and 287 deaths in a population of 5 million, despite experiencing sustained community spread early on.
The trajectories of these two regions have been shaped by a multitude of factors outside the control of policymakers, including Lombardy’s greater population density and higher number of cases when the crisis erupted. But it’s becoming increasingly apparent that different public health choices made early in the cycle of the pandemic also had an impact.
Specifically, while Lombardy and Veneto applied similar approaches to social distancing and retail closures, Veneto took a much more proactive tack towards the containment of the virus. Veneto’s strategy was multi-pronged:
Following the guidance from public health authorities in the central government, Lombardy opted instead for a more conservative approach to testing. On a per capita basis, it has so far conducted half of the tests conducted in Veneto and had a much stronger focus only on symptomatic cases — and has so far made limited investments in proactive tracing, home care and monitoring, and protection of health care workers.
- Extensive testing of symptomatic and asymptomatic cases early on.
- Proactive tracing of potential positives. If someone tested positive, everyone in that patient’s home as well as their neighbors were tested. If testing kits were unavailable, they were self-quarantined.
- A strong emphasis on home diagnosis and care. Whenever possible, samples were collected directly from a patient’s home and then processed in regional and local university labs.
- Specific efforts to monitor and protect health care and other essential workers. They included medical professionals, those in contact with at-risk populations (e.g., caregivers in nursing homes), and workers exposed to the public (e.g., supermarket cashiers, pharmacists, and protective services staff).
The set of policies enacted in Veneto are thought to have considerably reduced the burden on hospitals and minimized the risk of Covid-19 spreading in medical facilities, a problem that has greatly impacted hospitals in Lombardy.The fact that different policies resulted in different outcomes across otherwise similar regions should have been recognized as a powerful learning opportunity from the start. The findings emerging from Veneto could have been used to revisit regional and central policies early on. Yet, it is only in recent days, a full month after the outbreak in Italy, that Lombardy and other regions are taking steps to emulate some of the aspects of the “Veneto approach,” which include pressuring the central government to help them boost their diagnostic capacity.
Some analysis of the Italian response.
Lessons from Italy’s Response to Coronavirus
Policymakers in many parts of Europe and the United States are struggling to bring the rapidly spreading Covid-19 pandemic under control. In doing so, they are repeating many of the mistakes made in Italy, where the pandemic turned into a disaster. A major contributing factor was the...hbr.org