ID card disease spreading

[moon23]

http://www.publicservice.co.uk/news_story.asp?id=11628

Despite Liverpool City Council demonstrating its opposition to ID cards, the Home Office said ID cards will extend to the city from January.

From 4 January 2010, ID cards will be available to those who live and work in Cheshire, Merseyside, Lancashire and Cumbria.

Sad news, people are all to complacent about allowing this scheme to continue. Was hoping for more resistance really.

 

[weltweit]

What do you expect people to do?

 

[FridgeMagnet]

Those damn sheeple. Probably read the Sun too, never even seen a Monbiot column, wouldn't even know what PR was.

 

[bemused]

How many have they sold?

 

[weltweit]

How many have they sold?

too many

 

[shagnasty]

The main crime is that it is waste of money

 

[weltweit]

The main crime is that it is waste of money

I don't agree, imho the main crime is converting the country into one in which you will be expected to carry your papers with you at all times and in response to a request by a policeman have to "show your papers"!

At the moment we have certain freedoms, the freedom to walk down the street or indeed go about our daily business, without the obligation to have to carry papers to identify ourselves.

First we will need to carry ID papers, then we will need to show them, then comes that people not with papers will have committed a crime and will be taken away for punishment.

That's not a country I want to live in!

 

[Fuchs66]

I don't agree, imho the main crime is converting the country into one in which you will be expected to carry your papers with you at all times and in response to a request by a policeman have to "show your papers"!........

That's not a country I want to live in!

and I thought you liked Germany?

Ausweis bitte!

 

[weltweit]

and I thought you liked Germany?

Ausweis bitte!

oh ... I never had any papers with me when I was out and about in Germany!

 

[Fuchs66]

oh ... I never had any papers with me when I was out and about in Germany!

Tss tss tss Ausweispflicht there dontcha know

 

[weltweit]

Tss tss tss Ausweispflicht there dontcha know

I didn't realise twas that way in Deutschland.

I find it irritating enough that I have to have a passport to pay with a visa card in Spain.

 

[gentlegreen]

I wish they would come to Bristol. I'm about to cough up twice as much for a passport.

It's about time we joined Europe properly ...

 

[ska invita]

I don't agree, imho the main crime is converting the country into one in which you will be expected to carry your papers with you at all times and in response to a request by a policeman have to "show your papers"!

wont be necessary once facial recognition software is linked with CCTV cameras - you'll just be tracked wherever you go without a need to show shit.

 

[weltweit]

wont be necessary once facial recognition software is linked with CCTV cameras - you'll just be tracked wherever you go without a need to show shit.

And when we all get our GPS chip implants

 

[moon23]

I wish they would come to Bristol. I'm about to cough up twice as much for a passport.

It's about time we joined Europe properly ...

Do you know how much an ID card will cost in 10 years time when you are legally obliged to buy another one, and so on for the rest of your life? Do you want to have to remember to fill out another form everytime you move house to update your card? Can you honestly say you won't travel outside of the EU within the next 10 years?

 

[moon23]

I wish they would come to Bristol. I'm about to cough up twice as much for a passport.

It's about time we joined Europe properly ...

You do also realize you need a passport to apply for one anyway

 

[moon23]

What do you expect people to do?

Voice their dissent rather than meekly accepting it.

 

[moon23]

Those damn sheeple. Probably read the Sun too, never even seen a Monbiot column, wouldn't even know what PR was.

I'm not blamming anyone. Just wishing that people were more active, and getting depressed that they are not.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

Fridgemagnet is just setting up a standard trap - we either accept reactionary conservative attidudes or we are called some kind of a political snob for criticising them.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

No, let's have a look at it shall we? The government decide to expand the area where they offer ID cards despite opposition. Response? "People are complacent". What's the narrative there?

 

[gentlegreen]

Can you honestly say you won't travel outside of the EU within the next 10 years?

In roughly 10 years I hope to be permanently resident in France.
As soon as possible after that I will probably go for French citizenship.

I have never had any ambition to travel further afield - my main decider being that I have to speak the language.

 

[Fuchs66]

I didn't realise twas that way in Deutschland.

I find it irritating enough that I have to have a passport to pay with a visa card in Spain.

Certainly is and has been at least since the 80s when I first went there. It is mildly controversial but the vast majority seem ok with it. It is a pain in the arse if your only ID is a passport (especially the old larger sized versions) got a diplomatic, priviledged person ID card for Holland now so it is a tad easier

 

[weltweit]

Certainly is and has been at least since the 80s when I first went there. It is mildly controversial but the vast majority seem ok with it. It is a pain in the arse if your only ID is a passport (especially the old larger sized versions) got a diplomatic, priviledged person ID card for Holland now so it is a tad easier

I wonder if my driving licence would be adequate?

 

[moon23]

In roughly 10 years I hope to be permanently resident in France.
As soon as possible after that I will probably go for French citizenship.

I have never had any ambition to travel further afield - my main decider being that I have to speak the language.

Ok well once on the National Identity Register you will still need to get a card every 10 years regardles of where you live. So you will face fines if you don't if you return to the UK. Unlike a passport you can't just decide not to renew it.

 

[Fuchs66]

I wonder if my driving licence would be adequate?

If it's a photo licence a lot of places (post offices and some banks but not all) accept them, but if you want something official done then they often only accept approved ID cards/passports

 

[Fuchs66]

Ok well once on the National Identity Register you will still need to get a card every 10 years regardles of where you live. So you will face fines if you don't if you return to the UK. Unlike a passport you can't just decide not to renew it.

No you shouldn't have to return to the UK if you're living abroad, my last 2 passports I had issued from the consulate in Düsseldorf, I cant see why this wouldn't be the case for ID cards too, dont forget in Europe the UK is pretty much the odd man out when it comes to ID and most places you have to be in possesion of some form of official ID (usually a card) especially of course as a foreigner.
E2A I misunderstood your post, but the point still stands, living abroad you are obliged to carry ID

 

[moon23]

If it's a photo licence a lot of places (post offices and some banks but not all) accept them, but if you want something official done then they often only accept approved ID cards/passports

We should question what the government says is approved form of ID. I think we should as a society be able to work out ourselves what we require from people. It's geting out of controll now, people needing ID to do almost anything, and all the time it will be checked.

Everytime an ID card is checked against the register, a log will be made storing the details of when, where and why it was checked. Surley people are not buying the line this makes life easier for them? It's just another means of controling people, and keeping tabs on everyone.

People shouldn't have to have a piece of plastic to be human.

 

[Fuchs66]

True but surely everytime you use a credit card or debit card a similar log will be made. Its not easy to avoid existing on a register these days there's only so much room in the woods

 

[weltweit]

I like the woods

 

[moon23]

No you shouldn't have to return to the UK if you're living abroad, my last 2 passports I had issued from the consulate in Düsseldorf, I cant see why this wouldn't be the case for ID cards too, dont forget in Europe the UK is pretty much the odd man out when it comes to ID and most places you have to be in possesion of some form of official ID (usually a card) especially of course as a foreigner.
E2A I misunderstood your post, but the point still stands, living abroad you are obliged to carry ID

You know expats with drivers' liscences got told they needed a UK address to get a replacement, and seeing as the new photocards expire after 10 years... Just check any expat board it's a hot topic.

Seeing as you don't know what provision there will be for issuing ID cards overseas, and currently there is none. Signing up for a scheme that requires you for the rest of your life to get a card every 10 years, or get another one when it's lost or stolen, when you have no controll over what future price they might costs seems very stupid.

The UK is going to be even further behind with the massive National Identity Database, instead we could have a system of federated ID - http://www.csoonline.com/article/440274/Federated_ID_An_Idea_Whose_Time_Never_Came_ What good is an ID card online for instance? Where most identity fraud occurs?