free spirit
more tea vicar?
should be along shortly unless Osbourne's a spectacularly lucky incompetent cunt.
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ItWillNeverWork
Messy Crimbobs, fellow humans.
Well he definitely is one of those. Can't imagine his luck will last another 5 years though.
Which wasn't enough to win the GE (by a margin), and is lower than it was at the same point in the cycle last time round, and his personal numbers are pretty woeful, worse than Milibands (which we spent 5 years dismissing as insignificant, only for it to turn out not to be).
It'd be stupid to make any predictions this far in advance of the next election - I think in a lot of ways we're in uncharted territory, and there's a lot of things coming up that make it even more difficult to predict. But Corbyn's personal numbers are mainly down to his perceived incompetence, and I can't see either of the drivers of that perception - hostile party, hostile press - changing their tune anytime soon.
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
With important elections not far off I get the distinct impression some in the Labour Party would rather do quite badly, for the "I told you so."
If these sore losers had instead been onside with the mass of their own party, at least for the medium term, we'd have united opposition tearing strips off this disgusting government. Maybe not a big short term poll bounce, certainly not the favour of tax dodging billionaire disinfo oligarchs, but an 8+ / 10 functioning opposition.
This doesn't interest some folk. They'd sooner tack along with the same bullshitters who said Corbyn wouldn't be elected, MPs would cross the floor when he did, Oldham West would be close and Benn would be sacked. Fool me once or even twice happens. Fool me time and again, I'm a fucking spanner.
If these sore losers had instead been onside with the mass of their own party, at least for the medium term, we'd have united opposition tearing strips off this disgusting government. Maybe not a big short term poll bounce, certainly not the favour of tax dodging billionaire disinfo oligarchs, but an 8+ / 10 functioning opposition.
This doesn't interest some folk. They'd sooner tack along with the same bullshitters who said Corbyn wouldn't be elected, MPs would cross the floor when he did, Oldham West would be close and Benn would be sacked. Fool me once or even twice happens. Fool me time and again, I'm a fucking spanner.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
True enough, but your thorough analysis concentrated upon the specific context of Corbyn's leadership...I just wanted to point out that, irrespective of these factors, the electoral malaise of the LP remains reasonably unaltered since May.
J Ed
Follow Back Pro Expropriation
Has to be more than a 50% chance that we'll have one before 2020.
free spirit
more tea vicar?
that perception is also driven by the multiple former new labour big wigs or wannabes who're almost continuously briefing against him / sniping from the sidelines in the press.
Even if they can't support him, if they'd just shut the fuck up for the next 5 years Labour might stand a chance at the next election under Corbyn. If not then they're probably fucked with or without him as the damage is being done to the credibility of the party, not just Corbyn.
Also, the credibility of the party isn't something that's permanently damaged - remember the tories under Iain Duncan Smith? Theyre banking under a shiny new leader, with the press onside and a tory party that's divided on europe and lost its shine to fight against, the centre will come flooding back.
Jeremiah18.17
Well-Known Member
McTernan on Radio Five this morning was livid and in full on hate mode. He really is a piece of work. Congrats to Labour on appointing a shadow defence minister who is at least unconvinced of the wisdom of spending a fortune on a practically useless weapon of genocide.
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
Looks like they're stepping it up a gear.
Not really, this is just their strategy: to exploit every opportunity to create a crisis.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
and to turn every minor incident into a 'crisis'
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
They need Corbyn to fail. He's a threat (although on analysis only a mild one) to the current economic consensus, and the current political settlement whereby all the major parties represent the same policies, just differently-worded, and applied with slightly more or less social lubrication.
Apologies - I couldn't resist. 
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
ska invita
back on the other side
Bumping...anyone got update anecodotes from party membership two years on?
MochaSoul
It's being enslaved of your own free will
Look at #LabourLosingWomen on twitter
ska invita
back on the other side
is it all about Trans/Terf warfare?
incidentally its been 6 months since that mass resignation in Hastings (i think) CLP, and a formal request made for a ruling on what counts as Transphobia from Labour HQ. Despite repeated requests no answer has come (the maker of the request was at some kind of meeting this week i heard). Suggests some serious head burying in sand to me
MochaSoul
It's being enslaved of your own free will
The hashtag was started because of Labour's direction re self-id/proposed changes in the GRA, but it gets used by all manner of point-scoring types (e.g blairites, remainers, tories). You have to be patient to wade through it. Women have been tweeting screenshots of their letters ending their memberships and this is, of course, not helpful because it just makes other women within Labour but who also have misgivings feel more isolated.
I was at the meeting too. The meeting did not feature only Labour women. WEP women were there (inc. Sophie Walker who intervened to justify WEP's actions against Heather Brunskell-Evans who was also there to respond), Mumsnet women of various political persuasions were there, women belonging to all manner of ethnic minorities, trade-unionists as well as Labour women.
Anne Ruyzlo made a point about CLP's up and down the country passing anti-transphobia motions that in effect silence women (much in the same way as Bristol uni students have just voted for a banning of TERFs) without a clear definition of transphobia and without people having an understanding of the aims behind those motions.
The meeting was fraught and shouty unlike other meetings by the same organisation. Several reasons for that - the nature of this particular meeting (the aim was to urging a stand to be made); didn't help to have protestors shouting abuse at women as they entered and Bergdorf's being asked by Labour as an LGBT advisor just the day before did not help and women felt it like another slap in their faces and women's views are becoming even more entrenched (I suppose this comes with being on defensive mode, especially lesbians who are bearing the brunt of gender scientism going mainstream)
No answer has come from Labour because 1. they didn't think it through to start with and now it's become a hot potato and 2. some higher ups within Labour (Momentum, in particular) are heavily invested in a sex politics that dismisses women's exploitation and structural sexism (approaches to prostitution as "sex work", to give an example).
#WPUK is usually used to give updates on the meeting to those who couldn't attend. I haven't seen how that went but it should be good.
Latest big development is the BACP's apology for publishing a letter by Stephanie Davies-Arai and asserting their commitment to affirmative therapies in that apology.
I was at the meeting too. The meeting did not feature only Labour women. WEP women were there (inc. Sophie Walker who intervened to justify WEP's actions against Heather Brunskell-Evans who was also there to respond), Mumsnet women of various political persuasions were there, women belonging to all manner of ethnic minorities, trade-unionists as well as Labour women.
Anne Ruyzlo made a point about CLP's up and down the country passing anti-transphobia motions that in effect silence women (much in the same way as Bristol uni students have just voted for a banning of TERFs) without a clear definition of transphobia and without people having an understanding of the aims behind those motions.
The meeting was fraught and shouty unlike other meetings by the same organisation. Several reasons for that - the nature of this particular meeting (the aim was to urging a stand to be made); didn't help to have protestors shouting abuse at women as they entered and Bergdorf's being asked by Labour as an LGBT advisor just the day before did not help and women felt it like another slap in their faces and women's views are becoming even more entrenched (I suppose this comes with being on defensive mode, especially lesbians who are bearing the brunt of gender scientism going mainstream)
No answer has come from Labour because 1. they didn't think it through to start with and now it's become a hot potato and 2. some higher ups within Labour (Momentum, in particular) are heavily invested in a sex politics that dismisses women's exploitation and structural sexism (approaches to prostitution as "sex work", to give an example).
#WPUK is usually used to give updates on the meeting to those who couldn't attend. I haven't seen how that went but it should be good.
Latest big development is the BACP's apology for publishing a letter by Stephanie Davies-Arai and asserting their commitment to affirmative therapies in that apology.
YouSir
Retired from Urban
Joined to vote for Corbyn, whenever that was, we're winning sometimes. Updates pending...
YouSir
Retired from Urban
For a story though. We were choosing councillor candidates and one was a city worker who talked about parking, the other was a TUnionist who railed about societies injusticies. We lost by about 5 votes. That kind of area, but gives a fair idea of how (on a good day) it's going.
nogojones
spelling is overrated
who gets to vote for the prospective councillor candidates. All the elected members? those who turn up at the meeting? a small cabal?
YouSir
Retired from Urban
Ward delegates as I recall, so relatively open. I was one until we got jumped at the last AGM when us on the Left were reduced to one by a lack of organisation. On the plus side though the council delegate is a decent person and when the boundaries shift we'll have another AGM, so may change.
cantsin
Well-Known Member
was at our little informal ward meet last night in nice boozer( these only started post 2015 apparently - would never had numbers pre Corbyn) .... discussion at end, and the UCW / postie woman made casual comment that the upsurge in youngster participation in the Party was mainly down to Momentum...met with a murmur of agreement, and lead on to brief discussion on how the new local Mom group was going, when was next meet, who fancied it etc.
It wasn't like this even 12 months ago - all the scare stories, all the 'bully / thugs' nonsense, now just seems to be ignored as people see the reality of the situation first hand, and Mom is now viewed internally largely as an on it, activist wing, getting the youngsters on board ( in theory - our lot not exactly straight out of sixth form tbh).
Not sure how representative our lot are, or where it all goes from here, but feels encouraging
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