Urban75 Home About Offline BrixtonBuzz Contact

I joined the Labour Party...

How could it be anything else? Momentum exists, as far as I can tell, to retain in or near to the Labour party all the people who vaguely want to do something to help, but don't want to get involved with dogshit politics. What actual use could they possibly be?
 
killer b said:
How could it be anything else? Momentum exists, as far as I can tell, to retain in or near to the Labour party all the people who vaguely want to do something to help, but don't want to get involved with dogshit politics. What actual use could they possibly be?
Click to expand...
And all the dead left who have spent their life producing dogshit politics. In fact, i can't think of anyone else who really be involved beyond a few naive types.
 
NoXion said:
Out of curiosity, what actually happened?
Click to expand...

Trots tried to sell newspapers
The Labour Party councillor running the meeting told everyone about the undemocratic decision to exclude the Trots from decision making meetings, people argued along obviously preprepared lines and the Labour Party people actually made the swappies seem reasonable
People argued for about 30 minutes about what specific geographic area the group should cover then I left and got a quick pint before getting the bus home.
 
killer b said:
How could it be anything else? Momentum exists, as far as I can tell, to retain in or near to the Labour party all the people who vaguely want to do something to help, but don't want to get involved with dogshit politics. What actual use could they possibly be?
Click to expand...
This isn't what it is though is it? It's the old left trying to do a bit of back seat driving direct through to their contacts in Corybn's team rather than deal with being actually openly in the party as they know that is a dead end.
 
J Ed said:
Trots tried to sell newspapers
The Labour Party councillor running the meeting told everyone about the undemocratic decision to exclude the Trots from decision making meetings, people argued along obviously preprepared lines and the Labour Party people actually made the swappies seem reasonable
People argued for about 30 minutes about what specific geographic area the group should cover then I left and got a quick pint before getting the bus home.
Click to expand...

Which was nice

image.jpeg
 
Last edited:
treelover said:
Jeremy Corbyn defends Momentum in Morning Star interview

The LP apprently now has 400'000 members, thats a lot, imagine what they could do if they did something worthwhile, like robustly challeging the welfare cuts, etc.
Click to expand...

When/if Corbyn re-empowers the membership, and re-democratises the constituency parties so that they can rein in MPs, then he may be able to do that successfully. As it is though, the Parliamentary Labour Party feel safe enough in their seats that the neoliberals among them feel no compunction about going along with - or abstaining from votes about - social security cuts.
 
ViolentPanda said:
When/if Corbyn re-empowers the membership, and re-democratises the constituency parties so that they can rein in MPs, then he may be able to do that successfully. As it is though, the Parliamentary Labour Party feel safe enough in their seats that the neoliberals among them feel no compunction about going along with - or abstaining from votes about - social security cuts.
Click to expand...

Doesn't this mean: when/if the people who have been in the Labour Party 3.5minutes and agree with Corbyn can kick out the people who have fought for years to beat the Tories... but right now those people can vote as they were elected to by the electorate.
 
MarkyMarrk said:
Doesn't this mean: when/if the people who have been in the Labour Party 3.5minutes and agree with Corbyn can kick out the people who have fought for years to be the Tories... but right now those people can vote as they were elected to by the electorate.
Click to expand...

CFY
 
MarkyMarrk said:
Doesn't this mean: when/if the people who have been in the Labour Party 3.5minutes and agree with Corbyn can kick out the people who have fought for years to beat the Tories... but right now those people can vote as they were elected to by the electorate.
Click to expand...
New members can't just kick out other members -it doesn't work like that. And why assume new members haven'y been fighting to 'beat the tories' for years?
 
MarkyMarrk said:
Doesn't this mean: when/if the people who have been in the Labour Party 3.5minutes and agree with Corbyn can kick out the people who have fought for years to beat the Tories... but right now those people can vote as they were elected to by the electorate.
Click to expand...

No, it doesn't mean that at all. Lets do some maths.
If the party had 270,000 members before Corbyn's election, and now has just under 400,000, then the pre-existing "faction", if factions exist, has twice as many members as the so-called "Corbynistas". That being the case, the ONLY way the "Corbynistas" could carry out any programme of re-democratisation is if the carry the majority with them.
Try thinking before writing, next time.

As for "fought to beat the Tories", most of the Blairites who took over my local constituency party have more in common with the Tories politically, than with anything remotely anti-Tory.
 
butchersapron said:
New members can't just kick out other members -it doesn't work like that. And why assume new members haven'y been fighting to 'beat the tories' for years?
Click to expand...

Quite. Any restoration of powers to constituency parties will take a couple of years. What I find interesting is how rarely it's represented as "restoration", but is presented as something new, unprecedented and dangerous.
 
Momentum Bullying
Last week a leak from Momentum revealed that Jon Lansman needed to discipline Momentum activists after some inappropriate behaviour. This was not an accurate representation of what occurred.

Instead activists confronted Lansman and ‘senior representatives’ in Momentum after being subject to bullying and intimidation.

It’s likely that the ‘leak’ in the press came from Lansman himself in an effort to avoid the truth coming out.

Organisers are upset and angry. These events have revealed a lack of experience and expertise in handling the responsibility of an important political role.

Within this document we will provide evidence of bullying of Momentum Organisers, bullying of a young activist and a failure to investigate this bullying, and of an organisation that is not what it appears.

  • We are Labour Party members and activists
  • We care strongly about Momentum and want to see it be used as a democratic organisation to allow ordinary party members to get involved with the Labour Party.
  • Prior to these events, we assumed that those in charge were acting responsibly and with the best intentions for Labour Members - and trusted them with the responsibility of setting the direction of Momentum.
  • Considering some of the abusive behaviour by Jon Lansman some of his associates and failure to investigate allegations of bullying, we are concerned of their ability to represent members in Momentum.

Click to expand...


Oh dear, not another implosion on its way, how come the euro left goes from strength to strength, but we have this.I wonder if its drifters from the ISN?, etc, it obviously the youth element.

having said that, i am aware the Momentum people are working incredibly hard and its is early days.

btw, is Lansman Socialist Action?
 
Last edited:
Be Blairite
Join Momentum
Write anonymous accusations on the internet about bullying
Media lap it up

You could even skip step two.
 
treelover said:
Oh dear, not another implosion on its way, how come the euro left goes from strength to strength, but we have this.I wonder if its drifters from the ISN, etc?

having said that, i am aware the Momentum people are working incredibly hard.
Click to expand...
not sure "working extremely hard" of itself necessarily good.
 
6. The Leak

When the abuse began we leaked information to the press. They were not interested. We sent an email to Ben Riley-Smith outlining what had happened. Instead he reported the story above that appears to paint Lansman in a far better light.

We have since contacted Ben to enquire on this, with no response
Click to expand...

Anyone who does this is not very clever and not doing it in the interests of a group like Momentum.
 
butchersapron said:
So we have a blairite group sending someone into momentum to 'get the dirt' then said dirt being posted on some nothing site and you're all over it? You're being played.
Click to expand...


I am posting on an obscure political board, and am very willing to see what others think, it may be all bollocks, a plant, as you say, though the main protagnist seems to have been intrinsic to JC election campaign.

not heard much from Kat Fletcher since the win
 
I just wasted my time reading through that weird blog.

It's just people being unnecessarily forthright on facebook, where is the actual bullying?

The person who posted it up on the Momentum FB is a Burnham supporter
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

Tropi
Lambeth councillors
Replies
0
Views
107
Tropi
Tropi
Buddy Bradley
How long before we get a proper Tory-style sleaze gaffe from Labour?
Replies
0
Views
215
Buddy Bradley
Buddy Bradley
frogwoman
  • Poll
What is the first serious Labour scandal gonna be?
3 4 5 6 7
Replies
197
Views
9K
GarveyLives
G
B
Annals of the Green Party
2
Replies
32
Views
1K
Funky_monks
F
MrCurry
  • Poll
Tory leadership contest 2024
31 32 33 34 35
Replies
1K
Views
36K
prunus
prunus
Back
Top Bottom