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I just wasted my time reading through that weird blog.

It's just people being unnecessarily forthright on facebook, where is the actual bullying?

The person who posted it up on the Momentum FB is a Burnham supporter

Yeah, I read about a third of it and gave up. Apparently someone used the word 'fuck' in a FB message :eek:, which seems to be about the extent of this 'bullying' as far as I can tell. People seriously need to get off Facebook and stop feigning victimhood and offence at every little thing ever.
 
Yeah, I read about a third of it and gave up. Apparently someone used the word 'fuck' in a FB message :eek:, which seems to be about the extent of this 'bullying' as far as I can tell. People seriously need to get off Facebook and grow up ffs.

If even the hysterically anti-Corbyn press refuse to pick up your smear then perhaps it's time to reconsider what you are trying to get across, or alternatively it's time to start a tumblr.
 
maybe instead of a revenge re-shuffle C-Byn could have a game of Revenge Texas Hold Em and the person who loses all his chips first has to listen to tom watsons humblebrags for a solid hour. If that person is tom watson he should have to do something equally arduos.
 
maybe instead of a revenge re-shuffle C-Byn could have a game of Revenge Texas Hold Em and the person who loses all his chips first has to listen to tom watsons humblebrags for a solid hour. If that person is tom watson he should have to do something equally arduos.

The whole "reshuffle" thing was so obviously an attempt by "The Resistance" to fire-proof the positions of rightists in the shadow cabinet that I've been chuckling every time I think of it, and it's equally obvious that the outlets that originally reported the nonsense are perfectly aware of "The Resistance's" role.
 
got to guess that the Morning Star must be on an upswing over the last year or so, haven't seen it about (online version) / then read it so much for years, seems concise and clear headed about things.
You would be too if you waited 57 years for a bus.

(It's still shit written by dead people)
 
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The MS has an energetic web team atm which gives an impression of some measure of vitality, but the actual contents of the paper are as leaden as ever.
 
any thoughts on this doomy number crunching in the staggers btw? How is Jeremy Corbyn's Labour faring in elections
Writer is v.anti-Corbyn. The straight judgement on the figures is sound enough (ie. reflect the reality of where Corbyn is now) but the analysis on where they'll go is a pretty wild stab in the dark. I don't think there's any sound reason to assume that his polling trajectory can be predicted by looking at elections going back to the 1970s. No Labour opposition leader has ever been subjected to such instant hostility from every single major news outlet and I don't think he's got much soft support still to shed (ie. if you've stood by him through all the crap that's already been levelled at him, you'll still be there in May 2020).
 
any thoughts on this doomy number crunching in the staggers btw? How is Jeremy Corbyn's Labour faring in elections

It reminds me of the reasoning gamblers use. He's looking for patterns that don't exist. Example of a baseless assumption: Labour's polling rises and falls in the same pattern throughout various terms in opposition, the whole piece uses this assumption again and again. You may as well talk about winning streaks and losing streaks. An assumption with only the hint of vaguely circumstantial backing: Labour's vote may still be being flattered by the polls. An argument which is just plain ridiculous based on an assumption that's deeply dubious: the change in pollsters' methods should not caution against making comparisons with previous polls because previous polls were correct five years ago. After assuming the polls inflate Labour's vote he then ignores this assumption and claims that Labour is no better off in Wales because Labour are polling the same as they got in May. I could go on. An absolute tour de force of spurious reasoning. I love this guy.

That's not to say the picture isn't gloomy for Labour. But the eagerness of some people to see patterns in shaky figures especially when they relate to Jeremy Corbyn is breathtaking. I think it's a belief that lefty romanticism will inevitably be defeated by cold hard reason, and reality gets bent to satisfy this belief just because it's so ... believable... inevitable.

Oh yeah and note the little assumption right at the start. Corbyn won't win over any Tory voters. Tory voters will not become disillusioned with their party.
 
Jokes about shagging goats with Ed Miliband, conspiracy theories, ideology above his constituents needs, lazy accusations of racism keeping him off TV, he courts the limelight. I know all politicians are narcissists, but he is ridiculous.
 
A privately educated wannabe landlord rich kid isn't keen on Corbyn - well the scales have truely fallen from my eyes now.
 
It's about right. We're doomed to a Tory government for the foreseeable future. Until Benn is elected leader. Clive Lewis is an MP near here. He's bizarre to say the least and the rumours are he will be in the shadow cabinet.

So who's your MP, Lamb or one of the Tories?
3 of my aunts on my dad's side are Lewis's constituents, and reckon he's done more for locals since he was elected in May than the previous incumbent did in a month of Sundays.

I just hope you're not one of the (sadly still plentiful) Norfuckers who think that being of mixed race is "bizarre".
 
Jokes about shagging goats with Ed Miliband, conspiracy theories, ideology above his constituents needs, lazy accusations of racism keeping him off TV, he courts the limelight. I know all politicians are narcissists, but he is ridiculous.

"Ideology above his constituent needs" is balls. The only people who whine about him in the EDP are Lib-Dems, because they haven't got over Wright being made to take the Long Walk in May.
 
You know, it funny - by all accounts I live in one of the more right-wing areas of the UK and yest looking at survey after survey a large majority of residents (not just FPTP majorities - actual majorities ) support leftist policies. I can't help but think that as a nation we're so fucking awestruck by the right's borne-to-rule mentality that anything that isn't the most simpering we-wont-really-change-much opposition is considered unfeasible.
 
Re: why Corbyn / Labour are polling so badly atm: there's a few reasons.

Corbyn faces a totally unprecedented smear campaign against him, that takes in the entirety of the mass media and many of Labour's own MPs and Labour-aligned commentators, advisors and allies. I think Tony Blair explained the Labour right wing's position best during the infamous hear transplant speech, 'I wouldn’t want to win on an old fashioned leftist platform. Even if I thought it was the route to victory, I wouldn’t take it.' - they would rather another Tory victory in 2020 than put their shoulders to the wheel and work towards a Labour victory under Corbyn, such is their ideological opposition to his policies. Obviously, they're hoping his position will become untenable before then: but if not, then the right wing will be ready post-defeat to take back the party. They have no plans that involve Corbyn taking Labour to victory.

So, while Corbyn has made significant attempts to draw together a team from all wings of the party (making a virtue of necessity, as his own wing - in the PLP at least - is so tiny), the right wing feel no compunction to make any significant concessions as they've no intention of him staying in place any longer than they can help. This results in something that should be a fairly simple job - say a minor reshuffle - taking several days, as complex negotiations need to be carried out with every minute change to prevent the shadow cabinet collapsing altogether.

The drawn out negotiations can then be spun by their allies in the press as a shambles, another example of Corbyn's incompetence, as well as another example of how badly divided the PLP is.

These are the biggest issues - that the main medium by which the politician reaches the public is so relentlessly hostile, and that he is trying to fettle a parliamentary group that is actively attempting to sabotage his chances of success. I don't see either of these things changing in the near future.

There are other issues: the lack of experience of the leadership team has led them to making some fairly elementary mistakes, which have - of course - been magnified a hundredfold by their enemies both within and without the party. There's also a dearth of talent on the left of the party (there's only about 7 of them after all) meaning that walking disasters like Abbot and Livingston end up being the visible face of the leadership. And the many of the politics they push, while not being particularly radical, are far enough away from the current political mainstream to be characterised as such and dismissed by the mainstream. But none of these are fatal - the main two may be.
 
Re: why Corbyn / Labour are polling so badly atm: there's a few reasons.

Corbyn faces a totally unprecedented smear campaign against him, that takes in the entirety of the mass media and many of Labour's own MPs and Labour-aligned commentators, advisors and allies. I think Tony Blair explained the Labour right wing's position best during the infamous hear transplant speech, 'I wouldn’t want to win on an old fashioned leftist platform. Even if I thought it was the route to victory, I wouldn’t take it.' - they would rather another Tory victory in 2020 than put their shoulders to the wheel and work towards a Labour victory under Corbyn, such is their ideological opposition to his policies. Obviously, they're hoping his position will become untenable before then: but if not, then the right wing will be ready post-defeat to take back the party. They have no plans that involve Corbyn taking Labour to victory.

So, while Corbyn has made significant attempts to draw together a team from all wings of the party (making a virtue of necessity, as his own wing - in the PLP at least - is so tiny), the right wing feel no compunction to make any significant concessions as they've no intention of him staying in place any longer than they can help. This results in something that should be a fairly simple job - say a minor reshuffle - taking several days, as complex negotiations need to be carried out with every minute change to prevent the shadow cabinet collapsing altogether.

The drawn out negotiations can then be spun by their allies in the press as a shambles, another example of Corbyn's incompetence, as well as another example of how badly divided the PLP is.

These are the biggest issues - that the main medium by which the politician reaches the public is so relentlessly hostile, and that he is trying to fettle a parliamentary group that is actively attempting to sabotage his chances of success. I don't see either of these things changing in the near future.

There are other issues: the lack of experience of the leadership team has led them to making some fairly elementary mistakes, which have - of course - been magnified a hundredfold by their enemies both within and without the party. There's also a dearth of talent on the left of the party (there's only about 7 of them after all) meaning that walking disasters like Abbot and Livingston end up being the visible face of the leadership. And the many of the politics they push, while not being particularly radical, are far enough away from the current political mainstream to be characterised as such and dismissed by the mainstream. But none of these are fatal - the main two may be.

Which is all fine, but the fact remains that Corbyn's LP are polling at, or just above, the level of support the party received in the GE under Miliband.

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I suspect that for many of those sampled in these polls the party's appeal (or lack of) has not changed very much..irrespective of leadership.
 
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