I hope the Prez don't suspect me of anything

[nino_savatte]

I know that you will trash any survey that you disagree with, does that count.

If you actually did open the link - all the information is there. Stop being so lazy.

Ok - Mr I-know-everything-about-surveys, a challenge. You set out how and where you would conduct this survey. How would you find out how to citizens of this region are feeling?

That's right, take the easy way out, peeper. It's not me who is being lazy. It is you who is being lazy. You have accepted this survey without question and rather than do your own digging, you demand that I do it for you.

I'll ignore your last paragraph as it underlines your unquestioning acceptance of propaganda.

 

[spring-peeper]

Do you read news reports from Afghanistan or do you accept stories that spring solely from surveys conducted by ABC news? I reckon you've accepted the latter.

No - once again you are projecting, stereo-typing if you would prefer.

The reason that I like the survey is that it seems to reflect other articles that I have read.

I keep asking you to post opposing information. Surely you must read a variety of articles and newsreports from the area. Post your findings.

Post your findings or shut up!!!

 

[dilute micro]

Well, well, well, if it isn't our favourite neo-confederate. And you're what? Honest? I don't think so, you're the one who claimed that slavery "wasn't that bad because not all slaves worked under an overseer". You're not only a liar but you're a closet racist...I mean it's not as if you can actually admit to your racism on here - is it?

You still think slavery was a benign institution? Of course you do.

Oh I'm still 'racist', huh? I told you before I don't even have to defend myself there with the likes of you. But if I must, I have a whole bunch of people I'm friends with and more I work with who are of African descent who would laugh at your 'racist' charge.

You'll notice, nino, I never made such a claim as the one you supposedly quote from me. And you're honest.....right? You have a way of twisting and rearranging words. Anyway you've also accused me of editing my posts to remove stuff, which I never did. In fact I only added to posts, not removed stuff. But you're all about projecting lies. So I do thik it's funny that you should act like some honesty monitor.

 

[nino_savatte]

No - once again you are projecting, stereo-typing if you would prefer.

The reason that I like the survey is that it seems to reflect other articles that I have read.

I keep asking you to post opposing information. Surely you must read a variety of articles and newsreports from the area. Post your findings.

Post your findings or shut up!!!

I keep asking you to take your head out of the sand and look for yourself, i get the feeling that you don't want to do that because that would shatter your carefully constructed view of things.

How am I "stereotyping"? Do you know what the word means? You accept all without question.

 

[spring-peeper]

That's right, take the easy way out, peeper. It's not me who is being lazy. It is you who is being lazy. You have accepted this survey without question and rather than do your own digging, you demand that I do it for you.

I'll ignore your last paragraph as it underlines your unquestioning acceptance of propaganda.

I've done a fair amount of digging - see the different sources in my "dead Canandians" thread.

Ha - you can't figure out a better way to do the survey, can you?

It's very easy to sit there and pick holes in other peoples works, isn't it? Ohhh - look how clever nino is!!!

Come on nino - let's have some answers from you!!!

Explain to me who such a survey could be done. You know, one worthy/credible enough to met you rigid standards.

 

[spring-peeper]

I keep asking you to take your head out of the sand and look for yourself, i get the feeling that you don't want to do that because that would shatter your carefully constructed view of things.

How am I "stereotyping"? Do you know what the word means? You accept all without question.

Prove that I accept all without question.

 

[nino_savatte]

I've done a fair amount of digging - see the different sources in my "dead Canandians" thread.

Ha - you can't figure out a better way to do the survey, can you?

It's very easy to sit there and pick holes in other peoples works, isn't it? Ohhh - look how clever nino is!!!

Come on nino - let's have some answers from you!!!

Explain to me who such a survey could be done. You know, one worthy/credible enough to met you rigid standards.

Do you think over 150 dead in the last week indicates that Afghanistan is stable? Do you think the escalating violence has subsided?

As for me conducting surveys, that is irrelevant. What is relevant is that you have accepted without question the information that has come from this surveY...one survey, I might add, since there have been others taken since.

This post makes you look and sound like an ignorant.

 

[Major Tom]

Thats right, blame America for everything including the Soviets invasion of Afghanistan. All America all the time indeed.

The Soviets could have put an economic embargo on Afghanistan as the US did with Cuba. They could have withdrawn their embassador. They could have funneled arms to communist elements.

Instead they took the option of full scale invasion. There were plenty of options on the table but the Soviets took the most extreme. And look at the results.

I refer you to Vietnam/ Iraq and numerous other case of the US invading other countries - this is a pot-kettle situation is it not?

You are more interested in blaming all the worlds problems, past and present, on the US. Eyes wide shut

not at all - but you are defintiely quite keen to absolve the US from any blame - I just felt like setting the record straight.

 

[nino_savatte]

Do you always enjoy belittling those with whom you find it difficult to argue with, peeper?

I don't currently conduct surveys, though I have worked in market research so I do know how surveys are constructed and carried out. I don't really care if you don't believe me because you have, quite clearly, made your mind up on this issue: the survey is correct and so are you.

 

[nino_savatte]

Prove that I accept all without question.

Your posts on this thread do that. I don't need to repeat myself.

 

[Barking_Mad]

I refer you to Vietnam/ Iraq and numerous other case of the US invading other countries - this is a pot-kettle situation is it not?



not at all - but you are defintiely quite keen to absolve the US from any blame - I just felt like setting the record straight.

Well put, Mears will rationalise all this away though, he always does.

Mears is the USA, the USA is Mears.

 

[spring-peeper]

Do you always enjoy belittling those with whom you find it difficult to argue with, peeper?

I don't currently conduct surveys, though I have worked in market research so I do know how surveys are constructed and carried out. I don't really care if you don't believe me because you have, quite clearly, made your mind up on this issue: the survey is correct and so are you.

You seem to enjoy belittling people, so I step out of character and attempt to communicate you in a way that seems more fitting to your online character. I'm not as good at it as you are, I need more practice.

No, I am saying that this is the best survey available at the present time.
You have the experience in marketing, how would "you" conduct a credible poll to assess the afghan people?

Btw - the majority of the information is the same as on the NATO site, but you knew this didn't you? You are well up-to-date on the two nation missions there, right?

 

[nino_savatte]

You seem to enjoy belittling people, so I step out of character and attempt to communicate you in a way that seems more fitting to your online character. I'm not as good at it as you are, I need more practice.

No, I am saying that this is the best survey available at the present time.
You have the experience in marketing, how would "you" conduct a credible poll to assess the afghan people?

Btw - the majority of the information is the same as on the NATO site, but you knew this didn't you? You are well up-to-date on the two nation missions there, right?

Wrong, it is you who is belittling me but you're far too arrogant to see that. You have accepted the results of one single survey. Andrew Gilligan was sacked by the BBC for using a single source for his Newsnight report. What makes ABC so damned different?

 

[Major Tom]

The Soviets could have put an economic embargo on Afghanistan as the US did with Cuba.

This made me laugh - Mears appears to have forgotten about the Bay of Pigs fiasco

 

[nino_savatte]

Oh I'm still 'racist', huh? I told you before I don't even have to defend myself there with the likes of you. But if I must, I have a whole bunch of people I'm friends with and more I work with who are of African descent who would laugh at your 'racist' charge.

You'll notice, nino, I never made such a claim as the one you supposedly quote from me. And you're honest.....right? You have a way of twisting and rearranging words. Anyway you've also accused me of editing my posts to remove stuff, which I never did. In fact I only added to posts, not removed stuff. But you're all about projecting lies. So I do thik it's funny that you should act like some honesty monitor.

You claimed that "not all slaves worked under and overseer" and then went on to suggest that this made this institution of slavery more humane. It is you who is a liar and a racist. You say that you have "friends of African descent". I could care less and for all I know you could be lying. Furthermore anyone of African descent (as you so colourfully put it) would not accept your narrative...unless they were really stupid. But it's the way you say "African descent" that is rather revealing...in fact, you may just well have said "some of my best friends are black".

I don't project lies nor do I have to. You came here with a revisionist narrative of history and expected me to accept your thoroughly racist thesis without question.

You aren't even honest enough to admit to the things you said on this forum and would rather deflect and obfuscate in an effort to socre a cheap poiunt over me. You're pathetic.

You don't have a leg to stand on, pal and there aren't many people here on Urban who would support your views. I am not in a minority, whereas you are pissing in the wind.

 

[mears]

NO prizes for getting half way Mears. Maybe things will changei n Afghanistan, or maybe you'll still be there in 30 years and the Afghan people will have changed their mind. With the upturn in violence (since that poll) from people bringing the knowledge of IED's from Iraq and Pakistan's borders being used as a starting point for attacks on US troops there's a massive way to go. Im glad the Afghan people are optimistic but then again you cited lots of polls about Iraq and you turned out to be badly wrong there.

I did cite polls about Iraq that were massively wrong?

 

[mears]

You seem to enjoy belittling people, so I step out of character and attempt to communicate you in a way that seems more fitting to your online character. I'm not as good at it as you are, I need more practice.

No, I am saying that this is the best survey available at the present time.
You have the experience in marketing, how would "you" conduct a credible poll to assess the afghan people?

Btw - the majority of the information is the same as on the NATO site, but you knew this didn't you? You are well up-to-date on the two nation missions there, right?

You might want to consider putting him on ignore. I notice he still posts right after I do many times so he communicates with me even though he knows I don't read his posts. Its passing strange.

He is all about anger and personal attacks and feeds off attention. He is internet posting at its worst, in my opinion.

AT least consider putting him on ignore. Those who do it seem to like it.

 

[nino_savatte]

You might want to consider putting him on ignore. I notice he still posts right after I do many times so he communicates with me even though he knows I don't read his posts. Its passing strange.

He is all about anger and personal attacks and feeds off attention. He is internet posting at its worst, in my opinion.

AT least consider putting him on ignore. Those who do it seem to like it.

LOL!!!! Whereas you're all about trolling. You're a real nasty piece of work, mears and the real reason you ignore me is not for the 'reasons' you have outlined above but because I've demolished your 'arguments' time after time and you don't like that.

Do you remember the time you asked me how my sister was on that thread about Florida 2000. You're a hardly an advert for internet posting, pal.

It isn't easy or satisfying discussing serious issues with an "I speak-your-weight-machine".

 

[mears]

I refer you to Vietnam/ Iraq and numerous other case of the US invading other countries - this is a pot-kettle situation is it not?



not at all - but you are defintiely quite keen to absolve the US from any blame - I just felt like setting the record straight.

I believe Vietnam was a terrible move. I don't quite feel that way about Iraq. I believe the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan was a terrible move considering what the country looked like after the Soviets pulled out.

Do you feel that same way about the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan

 

[cemertyone]

He is all about anger and personal attacks and feeds off attention. He is internet posting at its worst, in my opinion.

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I never thought i would agree with you on anything...but on this you are right...he`s just a bitter and twisted fromer squaddie.........

 

[Major Tom]

I believe Vietnam was a terrible move. I don't quite feel that way about Iraq. I believe the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan was a terrible move considering what the country looked like after the Soviets pulled out.

Do you feel that same way about the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan

i don't feel quite the same as it wasn;t my country that invaded Vietnam or Afghanistan.

I'm sitting on the sidelines more or less, in a relatively small country with ineffectual politicians who seem to want us to act as hired mercanaries for the United States.

I deplore any act of aggression like this of course, but that is pretty much irrelevent in the discussion we've been having. Why personalise this?

I'm much more interested in understanding why things happen than casting blame to be honest.

 

[Barking_Mad]

I don't quite feel that way about Iraq.

It's like trying to squeeze an elephant through your letter box, it takes time, but you'll get there.

 

[snorbury]

One thing which is beyond suspicion is that the Taliban operate openly out of Quetta and seem to have no problem crossing into Afghanistan, why don't the Natos hold Pakistan accountable for its open support? Is Afghanistan going to be another Green zone? More like a kessel I hope

 

[spring-peeper]

One thing which is beyond suspicion is that the Taliban operate openly out of Quetta and seem to have no problem crossing into Afghanistan, why don't the Natos hold Pakistan accountable for its open support? Is Afghanistan going to be another Green zone? More like a kessel I hope

It's not NATO that is responsible for the borders - it's an Afghan-Pakistan problem.

And, yes, they are screaming and yelling at each other. Heck, Pakistan arrested an Afghan diplomat yesterday, iirc.

But you already knew this, right?

 

[snorbury]

It's not NATO that is responsible for the borders - it's an Afghan-Pakistan problem.

And, yes, they are screaming and yelling at each other, and pointing fingers at each other. Heck, Pakistan arrested an Afghan diplomat yesterday, iirc.

But you already knew this, right?

i thought i was on your ignore

yeh it's an afghani problem

 

[spring-peeper]

i thought i was on your ignore

yeh it's an afghani problem

No, it's an Afghan-Pakistan problem. They have to figure out a way to get along.

 

[nino_savatte]

Since when did Afghanistan relocate itself to the shores of Western Europe?

 

[JoePolitix]

US involvement in the Soviet-Afghan war

Thats right, blame America for everything including the Soviets invasion of Afghanistan. All America all the time indeed.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/BRZ110A.html

The CIA's Intervention in Afghanistan
Interview with Zbigniew Brzezinski,
President Jimmy Carter's National Security Adviser

Le Nouvel Observateur, Paris, 15-21 January 1998
Posted at globalresearch.ca 15 October 2001


Question: The former director of the CIA, Robert Gates, stated in his memoirs ["From the Shadows"], that American intelligence services began to aid the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan 6 months before the Soviet intervention. In this period you were the national security adviser to President Carter. You therefore played a role in this affair. Is that correct?

Brzezinski: Yes. According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahadeen began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan, 24 Dec 1979. But the reality, secretly guarded until now, is completely otherwise Indeed, it was July 3, 1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the president in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention.

Q: Despite this risk, you were an advocate of this covert action. But perhaps you yourself desired this Soviet entry into war and looked to provoke it?

B: It isn't quite that. We didn't push the Russians to intervene, but we knowingly increased the probability that they would.

Q: When the Soviets justified their intervention by asserting that they intended to fight against a secret involvement of the United States in Afghanistan, people didn't believe them. However, there was a basis of truth. You don't regret anything today?

B: Regret what? That secret operation was an excellent idea. It had the effect of drawing the Russians into the Afghan trap and you want me to regret it? The day that the Soviets officially crossed the border, I wrote to President Carter. We now have the opportunity of giving to the USSR its Vietnam war. Indeed, for almost 10 years, Moscow had to carry on a war unsupportable by the government, a conflict that brought about the demoralization and finally the breakup of the Soviet empire.

Q: And neither do you regret having supported the Islamic fundamentalism, having given arms and advice to future terrorists?

B: What is most important to the history of the world? The Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet empire? Some stirred-up Moslems or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the cold war?

 

[dilute micro]

You claimed that "not all slaves worked under and overseer" and then went on to suggest that this made this institution of slavery more humane. It is you who is a liar and a racist. You say that you have "friends of African descent". I could care less and for all I know you could be lying. Furthermore anyone of African descent (as you so colourfully put it) would not accept your narrative...unless they were really stupid. But it's the way you say "African descent" that is rather revealing...in fact, you may just well have said "some of my best friends are black".

I don't project lies nor do I have to. You came here with a revisionist narrative of history and expected me to accept your thoroughly racist thesis without question.

You aren't even honest enough to admit to the things you said on this forum and would rather deflect and obfuscate in an effort to socre a cheap poiunt over me. You're pathetic.

You don't have a leg to stand on, pal and there aren't many people here on Urban who would support your views. I am not in a minority, whereas you are pissing in the wind.

Well first of all it's not 'revisionist'. As you saw it was fully documented by people then and by people from every opinion and by people from different countries and by people from different ideologies. It's left to you to form a theory on how they all could have conspired to create a lie, a lie that in some cases undermined their own ideology. You however had no such support for your claims about what I said. You're not well read on the matter anyhow. Just out of curiosity, what books have you read on the subject since? And like I said, I don't have to defend myself against your charges of racism. You should have been around when Diesel was here. You'd have a hard time explaining my posts to him with your charge of me being racist.

Notice this nino,... first you claim in this thread I said, "[slavery] wasn't that bad because not all slaves worked under an overseer". After reading your post I pointed out that I said no such thing. Then you came back and revised your first claim by saying I said, "not all slaves worked under and overseer". You then say I argued it made the institution of slavery more humane. No I simply offered it as an example of how popular ideas regarding history can be different than how they actually were. I used the 1860 U.S. census to show that not all slaves worked under an overseer and that most overseers at that time were black slaves themselves. This is something that most people would have not guessed but is supported by the 1860 US Federal census. I made no effort to 'support' slavery as you claimed. I merely described it with historical fact instead of popular history. And I don't care if people on Urban give one shit about it. I was talking to you and JC, mainly. ....but that was another thread. This is a different topic thread.

But I do appreciate you demonstrating your classic MO again. You did the very same thing in that thread too. There you accused me, ...["And, yes , you did say that "not all slaveowners were bad". That amounts to defence of slavery and you can deny that as much as you like, Dixie Boy."- Nino]

Then you revised as usual.

["In the first paragraph of this post you have lied. You did claim that "not all slaveowners were bad" or at least in not so many words." - Nino, post 408]

Notice how you forgot your first lie? You adhere to the strategy of blasting a lie at someone and expecting that person to defend it. Your lying is childish and isn't even sophisticated enough to be consistent.

 

[mears]

He is all about anger and personal attacks and feeds off attention. He is internet posting at its worst, in my opinion.

QUOTE]


I never thought i would agree with you on anything...but on this you are right...he`s just a bitter and twisted fromer squaddie.........

Yes, just put him on IGNORE