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Huge earthquake in Haiti

Nine Americans arrested after bid to 'save' Haitian children
PORT-AU-PRINCE — Nine US citizens were being held in Haiti Sunday after being arrested for allegedly trying to take 33 Haitian children out of the country, according to Haiti's Culture and Communications Minister Marie Laurence Jocelyn Lassegue. Border police "saw a bus with a lot of children. Thirty-three children. When asked about the children's documents, they had no documents," Lassegue told reporters here.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hvDQ_8-5-n4AD2Z1RqGSRg3Z2hoQ

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The Americans, members of a US Christian ministry group
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hmm.. so the god squad is there to "help" the children !
 
Apparently, according to their website (bbc 10pm news) they planned to drive a bus into Port-au-Prince, pick up 100 children and leave the country immediately for the Dominican Republic.

Good thing the people on the border were switched on, apparently some the children are not even orphans.
 
On a happier note:

A third group of Haitian adoptees arrived in Canada Saturday.


OTTAWA — Another group of adoptees from earthquake ravaged Haiti arrived in Canada Saturday, greeted by frigid Canadian temperatures.

An Air Canada Airbus carried almost 60 adoptees. They were taken off the plane bundled in blankets to their new parents who were pressed against the glass of the Ottawa airport terminal, straining to gain a look.

One Alberta couple, Chris and Adyne Bell, told reporters that they waited in Ottawa for more than a week for their adopted daughters to arrive.

But the couple were excited at the sight of their adopted children.

"So amazed, it's just overwhelming, just so happy, happy to see them," said Aldyne Bell.

The federal government said the children ranged in age from three months to 17 years, with almost half under the age of two.

In the wake of this month's massive earthquake, the federal government fast-tracked adoptions for 217 children approved by Haitian officials.

The first group of 28 arrived in Ottawa last weekend and a second group of 52 arrived Wednesday.
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These are legit adoptions, btw.
 
weltweit said:
Apparently, according to their website (bbc 10pm news) they planned to drive a bus into Port-au-Prince, pick up 100 children and leave the country immediately for the Dominican Republic.

Good thing the people on the border were switched on, apparently some the children are not even orphans.
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the thing is one was like 2 months old... where the fuk did they find a 2 month old baby? not walking the streets thats for sure.... :hmm:

and the first thing the woman said was that they needed God's guidance!!

fucking idiots on all levels... :facepalm:
 
There's something very sinister about that group, they look like proper nutjob christians. Glad they got busted. Fucking leaches :mad:
 
B0B2oo9 said:
the thing is one was like 2 months old... where the fuk did they find a 2 month old baby? not walking the streets thats for sure.... :hmm:

and the first thing the woman said was that they needed God's guidance!!

fucking idiots on all levels... :facepalm:
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Yes, and God's love. No doubt some of those kids were wondering where God was when he took away their friends and family
 
B0B2oo9 said:
the thing is one was like 2 months old... where the fuk did they find a 2 month old baby? not walking the streets thats for sure.... :hmm:

and the first thing the woman said was that they needed God's guidance!!

fucking idiots on all levels... :facepalm:
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I am very suspicious of this group.
 
spring-peeper said:
As nasty as it sounds, the children should stay. They are the country's future.
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Seeing that all islands are bound to encounter dramatic earth quakes, it absolutely should not be down to confining the people to their islands for their whole life either. All the men women and children of the islands have a legitimate stake in the grounds of the mainland too: whether it is prepared for them, or if they receive the help they need after this disaster is all a question which will no doubt be accounted for. First things first, the people that are ready to die need to be strengthened: after that, worry about right of return, and the future of the country.
 
RhymnRzn said:
Seeing that all islands are bound to encounter dramatic earth quakes, it absolutely should not be down to confining the people to their islands for their whole life either. All the men women and children of the islands have a legitimate stake in the grounds of the mainland too: whether it is prepared for them, or if they receive the help they need after this disaster is all a question which will no doubt be accounted for. First things first, the people that are ready to die need to be strengthened: after that, worry about right of return, and the future of the country.
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What mainlands are you talking about? I thought that Haiti was an island???

OK - so if Haiti consists of both islands and a mainland, who is preventing the Haitians to move from there?



but I have a problem with the right for them to return. I've read about people fleeing their homelands, living in camps for a couple of years and returning to find out someone else is living in their house and tending their farm. Sometimes, people don't want the previous occupants back. :(
 
The mainlands I was referring to are the continents that the islands are closest to. I emphasize that based on the inevitability of the islands being moved out of their places, first thing, there should not be such a reliance to begin with, that such a multitude are kept island-locked, without something provided to them for the means to migrate. As for the disputes over lots and such, I really hope people would work it out and not defraud the right of the least, even if that means what it will take for them to be content elsewhere, that they may have someplace somewhere, and not nowhere to go..
 
spring-peeper said:
What mainlands are you talking about? I thought that Haiti was an island???

OK - so if Haiti consists of both islands and a mainland, who is preventing the Haitians to move from there?
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Haiti occupies half of an Island, the other half of the island is the Dominican Republic.
 
weltweit said:
Haiti occupies half of an Island, the other half of the island is the Dominican Republic.
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That's the way I see it as well.

Maybe RhymnRzn is talking about other countries allowing the Haitians to move there for a couple of years and then move back.

Nice idea - but who would want to move back and who is paying for the Haitians to stay on the "mainlands"?
 
Here you go, RhymnRzn, info from the "mainland".

Dominican Republic treats over 30,000 quake-wounded Haitians


SANTO DOMINGO, Feb. 1 (Xinhua) -- Hospitals in the Dominican Republic have treated more than 30,000 Haitians wounded in the magnitude-7.3 earthquake of Jan. 12, Dominican Republic Health Minister Bautista Rojas Gomez said on Monday.

Rojas said that health facilities in Santo Domingo and nearby towns would take more injured Haitians after the U.S. government decided to suspend the transfer of Haitians to U.S. hospitals until they figured out who will cover the expense.

"As long as the hospitals in Dominican Republic have the possibility of assisting the victims of the earthquake, we will continue respecting their human rights by giving them medical assistance," he said.

The Health Ministry of the Dominican Republic has invested 428 million pesos (11.7 million U.S. dollars) on the medical assistance to the Haitian patients, said Rojas.

General Melenciano at Jimani, Dario Contreras at Santo Domingo and Jose Maria Cabral y Baez at Santiago are among the major hospitals to offer medical assistance to the Haitian quake victims, he added.

Meanwhile, Ecuadorian Health Minister Carolina Chang said Ecuador is keen on strengthening ties with the Dominican Republic to work together in their assistance to the Haitian people.

Chang said that the Dominican Republic not only serves as a crucial link to deliver aid to Haiti, but also offers advice to other South American countries over what aid is most needed there.
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thanks for sharing it spring peeper. it is good to know that Haiti's neighbors are thus minded: no surprise, for as we all know that the two countries share the same island, and the Dominican Republican could have fallen under mighty shaking at that time too, for all we know. now, if only there were so much help based on a good liberal measure given to them to dwell in the cities of north and south americas, or a parcel of land located in those places, in order to satisfy our Haitian neighbors, should they so desire.

the point about who pays for it? value is value, is it not? if a perfect price is not afforded for them through charity, and voluntary and willful deeds, and the powers that be conforming the assets and policies so that no one is shortchanged for their own needs and re-payment in all the effort, then that failure will certainly ruin reputations and bring the resulting rifts closer to the thresholds of the fraudulent. i mean, it is pretty pitiful that it all comes to this after a major disaster and many dead, seeing how bad things were before hand: whereas, if all was decent and in order, the world community could do a seamless job in response to natural disasters, without even a need to talk to people mourning about their loved ones about money to pay back for helping them, and what they are going to do to survive now, etc....
 
RhymnRzn said:
thanks for sharing it spring peeper. it is good to know that Haiti's neighbors are thus minded: no surprise, for as we all know that the two countries share the same island, and the Dominican Republican could have fallen under mighty shaking at that time too, for all we know. now, if only there were so much help based on a good liberal measure given to them to dwell in the cities of north and south americas, or a parcel of land located in those places, in order to satisfy our Haitian neighbors, should they so desire.
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I have a question about this parcel of land that you feel should be made available. Does this parcel of land have people living on it already or is it some "unused" bit? Will it have to be built, add some water and sewage, houses, roads, access to medical care?



the point about who pays for it? value is value, is it not? if a perfect price is not afforded for them through charity, and voluntary and willful deeds, and the powers that be conforming the assets and policies so that no one is shortchanged for their own needs and re-payment in all the effort, then that failure will certainly ruin reputations and bring the resulting rifts closer to the thresholds of the fraudulent. i mean, it is pretty pitiful that it all comes to this after a major disaster and many dead, seeing how bad things were before hand: whereas, if all was decent and in order, the world community could do a seamless job in response to natural disasters, without even a need to talk to people mourning about their loved ones about money to pay back for helping them, and what they are going to do to survive now, etc....
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ah - the perfect world where money means nothing. Must be a nice place, pity it doesn't exist. On most parts of the world, people expect to be paid for their labour and companies expect to be paid for their product.



So - what part of the UK are you going to be clearing out for your share of the Haitian population? I'm betting they would probably love your flat/house. Out you go - but leave the telly for them. I'm sure that your government would be more than willing to supply them all with a nice income while they are waiting for their country to be rebuilt.
 
weltweit said:
Apparently, according to their website (bbc 10pm news) they planned to drive a bus into Port-au-Prince, pick up 100 children and leave the country immediately for the Dominican Republic.

Good thing the people on the border were switched on, apparently some the children are not even orphans.
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The 10 americans have been charged with child abduction.

Apparently many of the children have live parents.
 
weltweit said:
If they are legit, they are legit !!
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Although, in a country where "authority" was already sketchy even before the quake, what's "legit"?

Pay some government employee sitting in a half-ruined building, whose own house has fallen down and who is desperate, enough money to rubberstamp some papers ... hey, its "legit"!

Giles..
 
Giles said:
Although, in a country where "authority" was already sketchy even before the quake, what's "legit"?

Pay some government employee sitting in a half-ruined building, whose own house has fallen down and who is desperate, enough money to rubberstamp some papers ... hey, its "legit"!

Giles..
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Well indeed, that is a good point.
 
Giles said:
Although, in a country where "authority" was already sketchy even before the quake, what's "legit"?

Pay some government employee sitting in a half-ruined building, whose own house has fallen down and who is desperate, enough money to rubberstamp some papers ... hey, its "legit"!

Giles..
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How about the orphans paper work was signed by the government shortly before the earthquake?

That makes it legit imo.
 
The royal fleet auxillery ship is on its way loaded with supplies.
pity the frigate we used to have patrolling the carribean only now does during hurricane season:(
would have been quite handy.
Alos all the tents we gave pakistan after there earth quake from "war stocks" were never replaced :(
because gordon changed the accounting rules:facepalm: things like tents water purification heavy plant kind a nice thing to have if the shit hits the fan :(
but we can't afford to have stores sitting about much better to rely on just in time logistics :facepalm:
 
A 28-year-old man was pulled from rubble in Port-au-Prince, Haiti on Monday, claiming to have been trapped there since the massive earthquake on Jan. 12, according to media reports.

The man, who appeared dehydrated and disoriented, is being treated at a University of Miami field hospital near the airport.

"He was emaciated, Dr. Mike Connelly, of the university's Project Medishare, told CNN. "He hadn't had anything in quite some time. He had open wounds that were festering on both of his feet."

Connelly could not explain to CNN how the man had managed to survive without food or water for so long.

The man's family told BBC News that somebody had brought him water to drink during his 27-day ordeal.
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Hi folks

Apologies for bumping this thread.

Just want to ask about another Haiti related thread from a little while back, which I can't for the life of me now find.

It was specifically to do with those Baptist missionaries from the US who were arrested in a coach on or near the Dominican Republic/Haiti border with about 30 Haitian kids (not all of them orphans either) that the godsquadders had taken charge of under dubious circumstances.

Does anyone know the thread I mean? It might have been on General rather than here (I've tried lots of searches and failed :( ).

A link would be great. Ta.
 
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