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How much evidence is there of long term high level UK paedophile ring?

I have a few questions:

Why is Lord A suing now when;
-he was named before by others and did not sue them? (Icke and Scallywag)
-he had a lawyer during Waterhouse, but says he was surprised to be named now?


Also: Just a reminder to be mindful of the stuff that we are reading on the net and what impact it may have on us. I read an account a week ago of the sexual abuse of a young girl, amongst other things, which I can't get out of my head. I will go as far as to say it has disturbed me greatly.
 
Rutita1 said:
I have a few questions:

Why is Lord A suing now when;
-he was named before by others and did not sue them? (Icke and Scallywag)
-he had a lawyer during Waterhouse, but says he was surprised to be named now?


Also: Just a reminder to be mindful of the stuff that we are reading on the net and what impact it may have on us. I read an account a week ago of the sexual abuse of a young girl, amongst other things, which I can't get out of my head. I will go as far as to say it has disturbed me greatly.
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Simply put, Lord A is a bully (not to mention greedy as fuck).

Yes, I know what you mean. When I watched that clip above of a victim recalling his abuse, it haunted me for days. :(
 
If anyone is interested; This book is a good read and will definately provide some perspective, perhaps answer of the wider questions that are being asked about how this level of abuse can go on unchallenged for so long, what the fallout of abuse is in different contexts etc.
Trauma and Recovery: The Aftermath of Violence - from Domestic Abuse to Political Terror

It is available in an ebook here.

At the very least I recommend reading the first section of Chapter 1 (pages 4 and 5 of the ebook linked to above) as it summarises the dynamics of abuse with regard resultant psychological trauma, and what 'we' as bystanders are engaging with when we acknowledge/focus on it existance and experiences of it.
 
caoineadh7 said:
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view/282958/Malcolm-King-s-terror-as-perv-sex-ring-cuts-brakes/

THE whistle-blower who exposed the Welsh children’s home sex abuse scandal has cheated death in a suspect car smash after his brakes failed.


Police have seized care boss Malcolm King’s motor to see if it was sabotaged.
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Yeah read that last night and it happened two weeks ago. Meanwhile I found an interesting article on a certain person's views on twitter by @IstarsGate :D
 
I think you are missing a h from the name of the new age astral magic wibbler. What were you referring to anyway, the Machiavellian stuff?
 
elbows said:
I think you are missing a h from the name of the new age astral magic wibbler. What were you referring to anyway, the Machiavellian stuff?
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Yeah, missing h, was in a rush

ANDREW MARR: There was a lot of talk back in the Eighties and Nineties about sleaze and how the Labour Party was going to clean up the system of donations to political parties and yet you look at the last few days and some people would say it's dirtier than ever.

Person who we shouldn't talk about 'cos he's innocent - The Eighties, the sleaze wasn't just money - it was sexual and every sort of sleaze that anyone could lay their hands on.
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Momentum was never going to be sustained continually, it will come in fits and starts depending on what new angles journalists may find, what investigations & inquiries uncover, etc. And there were always likely to be problems in this regard due to the historical nature of the claims, and the relatively low chances of solid new evidence coming to light, at least at this point.

I dont really buy into the idea that the McAlpine stuff has shut stuff down, indeed I could make a case that the frenzy would have diminished more quickly if nobody had sloppily reopened that avenue in the first place. It has dampened down the speculation that was largely not based on any really new information coming to light, and I'm not sure thats as bad a thing as some would like to make out.

I concede that it is possible this stuff has put people off from exploring stuff that would have yielded more fruit, but there is really no way to be certain anything better would have emerged if this hadnt happened.
 
Are you on about the same stuff as before Minnie, with some people who reckon they are in the know making allegations about a victim or two?
 
Cheers. It is ugly, not terribly surprising, and I'm mostly trying not to pay too much attention to it. I'm not sure about it blowing up though.
 
Corax said:
Anyone else get the sense this is all running out of steam?

I was thinking exactly that this afternoon. I'm a bit bemused that nothing has come from the discovered copies of the Jillings reports - the Independent has one and some of the councils said they 'found' their copies, yet I haven't seen anything at all reported about the contents. Does anyone know whether it's because there is nothing new, or it's being suppressed or because the paper is investigating people named?
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I suspect many journalists wont want to touch either side of that story. It's a minefield and its far from clear what good will come from it, or what agendas could effectively be served by it without unnecessary risk of it backfiring.
 
elbows said:
I suspect many journalists wont want to touch either side of that story. It's a minefield and its far from clear what good will come from it, or what agendas could effectively be served by it without unnecessary risk of it backfiring.
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also true

Maybe they'll all just carrying on sniping at each other online
 
An extra bit on Cyril Smith (apologies if already covered, I haven't been on here for a couple of days). I was in Rochdale at the weekend and the Rochdale Observer is running a story linking him to abuse at Knowl View Special School (school for kids with, I think, emotional and learning difficulties). OBserver's site with related stories:
http://menmedia.co.uk/rochdaleobserver/news/
Specific one:
http://menmedia.co.uk/rochdaleobser...l-smith-abused-boys-at-second-rochdale-school

He was chair of governors at the school and had keys made for all of the dormitories. That is, someone who everyone knew had been investigated by the police for child abuse was given 24/7 access to vulnerable children - in their bedrooms. :facepalm: The School has featured in previous abuse allegations and was closed down in the 90s. Apparently one of the workers there complained to police about the abuse of children - inc. Smith. I don't know the details, but nothing at all seems to have been done about Smith's part in it - and this was in the 90s - a time when child protection policies were pretty much in place (at least the arrangements and awareness around child abuse were closer to the present than the 1960s). The worker who complained - yes, you've guessed it, made redundant after the closure.
 
Wilf said:
An extra bit on Cyril Smith (apologies if already covered, I haven't been on here for a couple of days). I was in Rochdale at the weekend and the Rochdale Observer is running a story linking him to abuse at Knowl View Special School (school for kids with, I think, emotional and learning difficulties). OBserver's site with related stories:
http://menmedia.co.uk/rochdaleobserver/news/
Specific one:
http://menmedia.co.uk/rochdaleobser...l-smith-abused-boys-at-second-rochdale-school

He was chair of governors at the school and had keys made for all of the dormitories. That is, someone who everyone knew had been investigated by the police for child abuse was given 24/7 access to vulnerable children - in their bedrooms. :facepalm: The School has featured in previous abuse allegations and was closed down in the 90s. Apparently one of the workers there complained to police about the abuse of children - inc. Smith. I don't know the details, but nothing at all seems to have been done about Smith's part in it - and this was in the 90s - a time when child protection policies were pretty much in place (at least the arrangements and awareness around child abuse were closer to the present than the 1960s). The worker who complained - yes, you've guessed it, made redundant after the closure.
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The known paedo mentioned in this article wouldn't be Cyril would it?

http://menmedia.co.uk/rochdaleobserver/news/s/531340_school_sex_abuse_horror_revealed

I'm not saying Cyril wasn't involved, but I doubt he's the paedo mentioned.

I remember "town bogs" opposite the black box in Rochdale being notorious as a rent boy haunt - Most of them were probably from Knowl View. Poor souls.
 
Frances Lengel said:
I'm not saying Cyril wasn't involved, but I doubt he's the paedo mentioned.

I remember "town bogs" opposite the black box in Rochdale being notorious as a rent boy haunt - Most of them were probably from Knowl View. Poor souls.
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Sorry, I'm not much of a source on this. Rochdale Observer went mad on Smith this week - first 9 or 10 pages or so. I skimmed the first few pages and there was reference to a known paedo having access, other than Smith, so you are no doubt right in relation to the piece quoted. He did though, apparently, have access to the dorms. :(

I'm from Heywood but was pretty involved in Rochdale politics in the 80s (Labour :oops:*). Since then when the abuse stuff has come up I've almost not wanted to know, I've found it so depressing when it's a place you know. Ditto in terms of the 'grooming' episode. Horrible, horrible, horrible. Poor fucking kids.

*Edit: on a thread about truly awful crimes, I wish to make it clear I am no longer and have not been for many years, a member of the Labour Party. :)
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-20399632
Rochdale's MP has called for an inquiry into the role of MI5 in a potential "cover-up" of alleged abuse by former MP Cyril Smith in the 1960s.
Speaking in Parliament, Simon Danczuk also asked why the case was dropped, against advice, by prosecutors.
An inquiry must "get to the bottom of what several former police officers are now referring to as a cover up", he said.
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Mr Danczuk said files from a Lancashire Police investigation in the 1960s, which the force had been unable to find, had now been uncovered by the Crown Prosecution Service.
He asked: "Can the home secretary now look at whether it's true the director of public prosecutions at the time received a second opinion recommending Smith be prosecuted, and why he concluded it was not in the public interest?
He also asked for an inquiry into "what role, if any, security services played".
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Don't know owt about Danczuk, but he's also getting stuck into his fellow Labour member Colin Lambert (current Council Leader) about the wider Rochdale abuse issue.
http://www.rochdaleonline.co.uk/new...8/mp-danczuk-lays-into-council-leader-lambert

No idea about the background between them, what's going on in the Rochdale Labour Party, but on the face of it you have to be slightly impressed that Danczuk hasn't taken a simple partisan approach. Of course it would be hard not to be critical of Rochdale Council on this.
 
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