How much evidence is there of long term high level UK paedophile ring?

[free spirit]

Gordon Anglesea was a Chief Superintendent who was cleared of abuse. He was allegedly also a mason. He was named as someone had visited Bryn Estyn. He took libel action and won several hundred thousand pounds IIRC.

no alleged about him being a mason, it's on the record in the public inquiry report.

 

[Corax]

Gordon Anglesea was a Chief Superintendent who was cleared of abuse. He was allegedly also a mason. He was named as someone had visited Bryn Estyn. He took libel action and won several hundred thousand pounds IIRC.

Thanks BM. That certainly puts a rather different angle on Messham alluding to possibly blowing the whistle on him.

So much has been written by so many that it's hard to quickly pick out who's who if you've not time to read through it all in detail.

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

Gordon Anglesea was a Chief Superintendent who was cleared of abuse. He was allegedly also a mason. He was named as someone had visited Bryn Estyn. He took libel action and won several hundred thousand pounds IIRC.

You realise we're talking about a different Anglesey

(Well I am!)

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

Thanks BM. That certainly puts a rather different angle on Messham alluding to possibly blowing the whistle on him.

So much has been written by so many that it's hard to quickly pick out who's who if you've not time to read through it all in detail.

huh? Is this a different one?

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

The Original Scallwag magazine is now online - im not sure if it's wise to link to it given the names it names....suggestions?

PM address? Or give people clue as to what to google?

 

[Barking_Mad]

pm sent. As it's so new i presume Google hasn't indexed the page.

Other names (other than Macalpine) are mentioned so id rather not post the link.

 

[Corax]

Icke will guide the way...

 

[Treacle Toes]

A name is surfacing in relation to having kept notes of interviews. This lady.
All of this stuff linking her to saville et al is very recently posted because when I did a search a while ago for this name I could only find reference to her arrest and 'rumour' or her being in the Ecuadorian Embassy. Proof of that is on the Assange thread because I asked about her there.

Why? :/

 

[elbows]

Because most of the sites that go on about her are pretty dubious, her history is dubious, and I cant find anything of useful substance she has said about these sex abuse cases.

 

[elbows]

Given the point we have now reached, it would be rather unwise to link to the Scallywag article or discuss the detail of its claims.

However some people were rather interested in which journalist may have shown a photo to victims back in the day. I would suggest that the first part of the following Observer article from 1999 may be of interest.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/1999/sep/12/thatcher.uk2

 

[Barking_Mad]

worth a read

http://hat4uk.wordpress.com/tag/jimmie-mcalpine/

 

[MadCatLady]

Some of the worst criticism I've read online aimed at Messham has not come from Tories or the press but from other abuse victims from Bryn Estyn.

Where? I haven't seen any of that online either.

 

[elbows]

worth a read

I didnt like that article to be honest. It's probably clutching at some unproductive straws, although I dont mean that absolutely every point they make is shit. Some are though, but I think I've already covered them with my excessive quantity of posts on this thread over the last few weeks.

I still want to hear more about the dead Peter Morrison and exactly how he is supposed to have been patched into the paedophile network in question. I want to know more about the London visits that the victim interviewed on Sky talked about (and I mean new details, investigations and journalistic endeavours, not a mere reheat of stuff that came from Scallywag). I want to know more about the Righton stuff, and the Cyril Smith file. And whatever else is out there that has been overlooked due to the narrow focus on certain north wales things.

 

[Corax]

I still want to hear more about the dead Peter Morrison and exactly how he is supposed to have been patched into the paedophile network in question. I want to know more about the London visits that the victim interviewed on Sky talked about (and I mean new details, investigations and journalistic endeavours, not a mere reheat of stuff that came from Scallywag). I want to know more about the Righton stuff, and the Cyril Smith file. And whatever else is out there that has been overlooked due to the narrow focus on certain north wales things.

I want to know more about this 'mistaken identity'. If it wasn't AM (which it wasn't m'lud), then who the hell was it? A theory was put forward even before the AM claim was debunked, but seems to have disappeared into the long grass...

 

[elbows]

Well for that to happen I think more victims are required to provide new detail, or something else to be uncovered. Because whats out there already, even when removing the distracting mistaken identity stuff, is not good enough for a story to be told about that, at least not from what I've read.

Thats why I am expressing little interest at this point, if something new comes out then I'm all ears.

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

Where? I haven't seen any of that online either.

Twitter

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

worth a read

http://hat4uk.wordpress.com/tag/jimmie-mcalpine/

I'm still reading the other stuff

 

[William of Walworth]

That hat4uk person is sailing pretty fuckin close to the wind IMO ...

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

That hat4uk person is sailing pretty fuckin close to the wind IMO ...

Not looked at Barking's link but I'm wondering if that's the one I read yesterday but Lord A's picture's been removed?

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

This might interest someone if they can understand legalese

http://jackofkent.com/2012/11/lord-mcalpine-and-section-12/

 

[DaveCinzano]

The Original Scallwag magazine is now online - im not sure if it's wise to link to it given the names it names....suggestions?

If anyone wanted to find that Scallywag article it really wouldn't be difficult to locate that article from Scallywag, using very obvious search terms to find that particular article from that particular Scallywag.

 

[William of Walworth]

I'm surprised that archived article hasn't yet been suppressed/deleted

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

I bet there's a load of Twitter users a bit worried now

Lord McAlpine’s lawyers have hired a team of experts to collate the offending Twitter messages, including those that have been deleted, as well as so-called “re-tweets” in which one user republishes a message posted by someone else.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/...-to-sex-abuse-as-BBC-pays-185000-damages.html

Can you retrieve deleted ones then?

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

I'm surprised that archived article hasn't yet been suppressed/deleted

It's appeared on a website (The Truthseeker). Not sure if that's where BM got it from

 

[nino_savatte]

Lord McAlpine accepted a massive donation from Asil Nadir and then backtracked on it. I've been reading some news articles on Lexis Nexus and it seems Nadir was on the point of exposing how the Tories raised their funds.

 

[Chook]

His autobiography is called Once a Jolly Bagman.

 

[William of Walworth]

It's appeared on a website (The Truthseeker). Not sure if that's where BM got it from

I made the mistake of only going directly to the relevant page with the article, and not checking the home page. Which now I've looked at it, makes the hoster and his site look a bit conspiraloon-ish ...

 

[Chook]

Don't judge a book by the bookshelf.

 

[butchersapron]

Don't judge a book by the bookshelf.

Why not? That should be standard procedure.

 

[William of Walworth]

Don't judge a book by the bookshelf.

Because the site only hosted a reproduction of the article then OK Scallywag's/the article's credibility or lack of it can still be judged on their own terms.

But fact remains that the host site, and its editor/some of its contributors, are just bound to shout 'conspiracy obsessives' at any passing visitor ..