How much evidence is there of long term high level UK paedophile ring?

[ViolentPanda]

We could ask William Hague for substantive evidence but I doubt he'll give it since he's got his sights set on No. 10 for the future. Let's hope that any investigation is untouched by tainted interference and reveals the truth.

We can hope, but given that so far what we have is a parcel of disparate "inquiries" with markedly different remits, rather than a full-scale public enquiry with plenary powers of investigation and examination, what we're likely to see is truth that's been fitered, as usual.

 

[Lock&Light]

Why not? Don't you think he'd make a good leader?

So you are joking.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Why not? Don't you think he'd make a good leader?

He might very well make a good leader if he's grown up a bit since his baseball cap days, but I'm not sure that rural Torydom would give him a second chance. They're more likely to embrace a right-wing Tory than a neoliberal Tory, which is what Hague is nowadays.

 

[ViolentPanda]

You are joking?

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

Liam Fox had his sights set on No. 10 too.

 

[Treacle Toes]

C4 news 08/11

 

[Louis MacNeice]

Why not? Don't you think he'd make a good leader?

Why? Because he's no Alex Salmond that's why.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

 

[happie chappie]

Some 30 pages into a fascinating thread. So back to the OP - is there evidence of a long-term, high-level paedophile ring in the UK?

Nothing conclusive, (as yet), certainly no smoking gun but IMHO it would be reasonable to assume, on the balance of probabilities and given the information available, that such a ring (or indeed rings) have operated and may still do so.

I want to know who the abusers are, particularly if the are Tories, admittedly partly out of a prurient interest and party because I want the party leadership to squirm

But in the end whether one or two individuals, however famous, are named, prosecuted and convicted isn’t the real issue.

The real victory will when survivors of past, current, and future abuse, come forward safe in the knowledge that they will be believed, their allegations taken seriously, and fully investigated without fear or favour. Something that has been woefully lacking in the past.

 

[Blanche de Vere]

In today's Huffington Post we see our Chancellor Osborne castigating William Hague as unprincipled during his tenure as shadow leader of the Opposition Party. As 'PM in waiting' it would seem that Osborne is doing his best to undermine any desires Hague has for the very position that he desires himself...but we digress...

 

[Pickman's model]

Liam Fox had his sights set on No. 10 too.

So did the 'ra, once

 

[ViolentPanda]

So did the 'ra, once

Useless cross-eyed fucks!

 

[Pickman's model]

Useless cross-eyed fucks!

They still got closer to the seat of power than liam fox will

 

[Prole]

Some 30 pages into a fascinating thread. So back to the OP - is there evidence of a long-term, high-level paedophile ring in the UK?

Nothing conclusive, (as yet), certainly no smoking gun but IMHO it would be reasonable to assume, on the balance of probabilities and given the information available, that such a ring (or indeed rings) have operated and may still do so.

We await Cameron's response to Tom Watson's request for the Paul Pelham/Peter Righton evidence file to be disclosed for starters.

 

[Pickman's model]

This all puts me to mind of the night charles and camilla were attacked, when the student demo went from chants of something like 'grants not fees' to 'kill the queen' in two minutes in trafalgar sq

 

[Pickman's model]

This all puts me to mind of the night charles and camilla were attacked, when the student demo went from chants of something like 'grants not fees' to 'kill the queen' in two minutes in trafalgar sq

 

[Mr.Bishie]

This all puts me to mind of the night charles and camilla were attacked, when the student demo went from chants of something like 'grants not fees' to 'kill the queen' in two minutes in trafalgar sq

Attacked?

 

[elbows]

although to infer from that alone that he was deliberately shifted out of harm's way would be jumping the gun, somewhat.

Especially as it was the fallout from the Westland affair that cost him his cabinet post.

 

[Wilf]

Was just thinking what a mess this all is - various inquiries announced, names almost in the public domain, sometimes mixed in with conspiraloonery, Cameron using the witchunt diversion etc. Whole thing doesn't have much sense of direction and isn't getting the traction of the Savile sage (largely because that was easier and more straightforward for the papers to process). Wonder what will firm it up or give the whole thing a sense of coherence? I'd guess - but haven't heard - that some of the victims would have put in new or reapeated names to the police by now? Suppose what I mean is we seem to have inquiries into previous police inquires - but no current criminal investigation.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

People are having a proper go at "the internet is full of lies" thing now. True of course, as any fule kno.

But where are many of these people to be found? In the mainstream press.

People go the internet for news through credulous puriance, for variety and for a bunch of other good, bad and in between reasons.

But not least because mainstream media has become so much a festering pit of trivia, mis-info and dis-info itself.

2 wrongs don't make a right, but much of what is being said is in the realms of beams in the eye.

 

[elbows]

Harrowing: Care Home Abuse Victim Tells Of Sex Parties

Hooray Henrys and Army barracks!

Edir: Becoming clearer why the terms of reference of Waterhouse were limited to just the Children's homes.

Bloody hell, there was something very authentic about that. Not that other accounts arent authentic, but this one had a human 'normalisation' aspect to it that reeked of how life can be, especially for a youngster.

 

[elbows]

But not least because mainstream media has become so much a festering pit of trivia, mis-info and dis-info itself.

The media has always been about direction, omission, attempting to gain a monopoly over the truth, etc. Not always, there are exemptions and things have happened in recent weeks that provide some kind of window of opportunity, not a fully open one but its there none the less.

Part of the reason I was moaning last night was because people do overcompensate for this sometimes, and getting carried away in another direction can be used to reenable the narrow spectrum and legitimacy of the mainstream. To give way to hysteria and to cling to discredited things for too long makes it easier for the swine. Its fine to go out on a limb and to push things to an extreme on occasion, but knowing when to roll back somewhat is an important part of holding our gains. Knowing when to retreat and reapproach from a different angle is important.

 

[ViolentPanda]

They still got closer to the seat of power than liam fox will

True!

 

[elbows]

Whole thing doesn't have much sense of direction and isn't getting the traction of the Savile sage (largely because that was easier and more straightforward for the papers to process). Wonder what will firm it up or give the whole thing a sense of coherence?

I'm not at all sure I agree. Its been messy at times and of course the Savile stuff made for a simpler story that the press could get their teeth into effortlessly thanks also to the usual celebrity thang, but the political stuff hasnt gone away at all. It was hard to watch channel 4 news last night without concluding that it is going somewhere.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Especially as it was the fallout from the Westland affair that cost him his cabinet post.

Good job, too.

 

[framed]

Bloody hell, there was something very authentic about that. Not that other accounts arent authentic, but this one had a human 'normalisation' aspect to it that reeked of how life can be, especially for a youngster.

I think that might be the most convincing piece of footage I've watched so far.

His description of the abuse as being almost 'normal' and that it came with 'privileges'; "great days out" to London, parties where kids were allowed to smoke and drink... was chilling. To reject the abuse was to give up the 'privileges'.

 

[Buddy Bradley]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20269114

 

[Citizen66]

What I find weird is that he somehow hasn't googled the image in all this time to verify if it was him or not that way. Something doesn't ring true.

 

[Buckaroo]

I think that might be the most convincing piece of footage I've watched so far.

His description of the abuse as being almost 'normal' and that it came with 'privileges'; "great days out" to London, parties where kids were allowed to smoke and drink... was chilling. To reject the abuse was to give up the 'privileges'.

'Privileges' is the word. fucking hell. And yes it does look like there is evidence of a high level paedo ring/network/affiliation/complicity/cover up.

 

[mwgdrwg]

What I find weird is that he somehow hasn't googled the image in all this time to verify if it was him or not that way. Something doesn't ring true.

Strange indeed

 

[ayatollah]

With all due respect, Aaronovitch is a massive cunt.

I had the misfortune of being at Manchester University at the same time as this ghastly man, early 70's - he being the leading Communist Party hack /big wheel in the Broad Left. As a wee Trot in those days we seemed to spend a lot of time fighting the opportunist political shennanigans of comrade Aaronovitch and the Broad Left career politicians. It amuses me now as he retrospectively reinvents himself as always being in those days a "libertarian socialist"... he was in fact always a dreadful pro Soviet Stalinist apologist of the most hackworthy sort - combined with the usual insincere "Eurocommunist" reformist drivel. Not at ALL surprising he functions as one of the ideological attack dogs of the current status quo. Dave and the art of doublethink were always constant bedmates.

 

[Citizen66]

It's hardly a coincidence that he's done an about turn at the same time McAlpine is issuing legal threats.